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Re:We May Never Get to Herd Immunity by cortesoft on Saturday February 06, 2021 @02:59PM (#26049389)
Significantly decreasing your chance of catching an awful, potentially fatal, disease is not a carrot?
Re:We May Never Get to Herd Immunity by xboxnolifes on Saturday February 06, 2021 @03:27PM (#26049636)
My age group is more likely to die die from ass clots from all the sitting inside I'm doing.
Re:We May Never Get to Herd Immunity by throwitaway1235 on Saturday February 06, 2021 @03:10PM (#26049498)
If I'm allowed to answer honestly and not be accused of "trolling", I don't believe the lethality of Covid-19 is high enough to make vaccination itself a carrot on a societal scale, to solve the question this article outlines.
Re:We May Never Get to Herd Immunity by swayvil on Saturday February 06, 2021 @03:02PM (#26049418)
Many of us are not onboard with that narrative.
Re:We May Never Get to Herd Immunity by yokaze on Saturday February 06, 2021 @03:06PM (#26049456)
It's not a narrative, it is a fact.
Re:We May Never Get to Herd Immunity by candiodari on Saturday February 06, 2021 @03:29PM (#26049660)
Sure but let's be honest here. For <50 year olds the odds of getting a serious infection 0.06% to 0.4% (and presumably 1/10th of that if you don't smoke, have decent weight, not currently ill with something else, ...), which has to be multiplied with the infection rate, at best 10%.

So your odds of a negative effect from COVID without vaccine is between 0.04% and 0.006%, and may be much less.

So reasonably you should take this as worth ... roughly a tenth of a car maintenance, in time and cost.

Re:We May Never Get to Herd Immunity by derekp7 on Saturday February 06, 2021 @04:28PM (#26050096)
For me, the big risk is transmitting it to someone I care about.
Re:We May Never Get to Herd Immunity by Capira on Saturday February 06, 2021 @06:15PM (#26051044)
In Wuhan they tested about 10 Million people and concluded "There were no positive tests amongst 1,174 close contacts of asymptomatic cases".

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w

Re:We May Never Get to Herd Immunity by taylodl on Saturday February 06, 2021 @05:21PM (#26050562)
If COVID-19 becomes an annual event like the flu then someday you will be in the 50+ group and suddenly this will matter very much to you. Meanwhile you're in the spreader group infecting those who are 50+ such as your parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles and potentially killing them.
Re:We May Never Get to Herd Immunity by yokaze on Sunday February 07, 2021 @01:52AM (#26053212)
A couple of points:

> your odds of a negative effect from COVID without vaccine is between 0.04% and 0.006%

And with the vaccine, they are 0%. Or sufficiently close enough, that they weren't registered in the large scale studies of various vaccine makers.

> roughly a tenth of a car maintenance, in time and cost

And I get the jab for free with paid leave, so for free in time and cost.

Why? Because the costs for society are evidently high. Most people have friends or relatives, which are in high risk groups (e.g. parents, grand-parents), and they rather do not want to take the risk of being responsible for their premature and rather gruesome death.

Re:We May Never Get to Herd Immunity by candiodari on Sunday February 07, 2021 @05:02AM (#26053917)
> And with the vaccine, they are 0%. Or sufficiently close enough, that they weren't registered in the large scale studies of various vaccine makers.

No they drop by 60%-80% or so, they don't drop to zero. It depends on the specific vaccin and which "refresh" regimen you choose, and of course on your age (the very young and very old can get as many vaccins as they want, it won't work, and of course immunodeficient patients won't work either)

Or to put it differently: if you have to choose between stopping smoking or getting vaccinated. Stopping smoking is by far the better choice (of course both is still better).

Re:We May Never Get to Herd Immunity by yokaze on Sunday February 07, 2021 @08:24AM (#26054860)
Moderna: 0 severe cases in the vaccinated group, 11 in the placebo group: https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/peer-reviewed-...

Pfizer/BioNTech: 1 severe case in the vaccinated vs 9 placebo group (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33301246/)

Oxford: 10 hospitalisations all in the control group (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...)