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Re:Indonesia bans forced religious attire in schools by GordonS on Saturday February 06, 2021 @01:34PM (#26048681)
I remember the first time I went to Indonesia, back around 2005 or so, a work trip to the small island of Batam, a ferry ride from Singapore.

When Indonesian colleagues there met me for the first time, they would almost always ask what religion I practiced, in the same sort of casual way as people in the Western world might ask where you lived. I thought it was a bit weird!

Anyway, I'd always say "no religion", since I don't practice or believe in any gods, afterlife etc - but this was totally incomprehensible! Heads would tilt, and I'd get baffled looks like I was mad - "uh... no, but what god you you follow?". No matter how many times or ways I said it, they just didn't seem to believe me.

Someone later explained that in Indonesia you legally had to tell the government what religion you followed, and "none" was not an option.

Re:Indonesia bans forced religious attire in schools by eunos on Saturday February 06, 2021 @01:43PM (#26048760)
>Someone later explained that in Indonesia you legally had to tell the government what religion you followed, and "none" was not an option.

That is correct, furthermore, the government only acknowledges 6 religions, although I heard that they started acknowledging some folks religion recently.

Re:Indonesia bans forced religious attire in schools by neurostimulant on Saturday February 06, 2021 @08:41PM (#26051853)
This is true. One of my in-laws' neighbor practice a religion not included in the official list of recognized religions, so he just register himself as a muslim instead. Ultimately, this field doesn't really matter though in day to day life, and might be removed entirely in the future.

> Someone later explained that in Indonesia you legally had to tell the government what religion you followed, and "none" was not an option.

While Indonesia is not a muslim country, believe in God is actually included in its foundational philosophy, and thus hammered into your head as part of your education since primary school. You can believe any god, but not believing any god is definitely strange here and many people would have trouble accepting that.

Re:Indonesia bans forced religious attire in schools by kwere on Saturday February 06, 2021 @03:52PM (#26049826)
i would like to say i believe in milton Friedman
Re:Indonesia bans forced religious attire in schools by jedimond on Saturday February 06, 2021 @02:35PM (#26049179)
When "none" is not an option, you can go for:

> What religion? Pastafarian

> What God do you follow? FSM

Re:Indonesia bans forced religious attire in schools by Kye on Saturday February 06, 2021 @02:34PM (#26049174)
It's an interesting contrast to here in the US where you're assumed Christian, and certain sects actively try to force everyone (including other Christians) to live by their specific beliefs. I'd take confusion at not following any god over anger at not following a specific version of one.
Re:Indonesia bans forced religious attire in schools by Retric on Saturday February 06, 2021 @02:39PM (#26049220)
That’s really not been my experience. I don’t think I have had a religious conversation or even a question outside my immediate family in the last decade. The US is a huge country and you will experience vastly different things in different areas.
Re:Indonesia bans forced religious attire in schools by alsetmusic on Saturday February 06, 2021 @06:49PM (#26051278)
A number of people at my small company refer to their church or make other casual statements that affirm their participation of religion. I have no real problem with this (I'm atheist). However, a guy who does some work for the owner and is remote from somewhere in the center of the country recently posted some very hardcore and, in my opinion, inappropriate statements in our company Slack.

He was responding to someone announcing that their family member tested positive for C19. He came with this, "The Lord blah blah and He will save with His grace yadda yadda." I consider that pretty far over the line of good taste at the workplace, even if well intentioned. Especially given that there are people on staff whose religious beliefs are unknown to me, but who come from parts of the world where Christianity is not dominant.

It doesn't bother me if a person says they'll pray for someone's recovery, for example. But the way he displayed an assumption of the superiority of his religion to others really rubbed me the wrong way. Luckily, there's no overlap in our roles and therefore no need to interact. I can just ignore him and pretend that didn't just happen.

Re:Indonesia bans forced religious attire in schools by TheAdamAndChe on Sunday February 07, 2021 @06:05AM (#26054162)
I don't know where you're from, but referencing a prayer in response to hearing that someone was infected with a dangerous disease isn't "far over the line of good taste." To those who are religious, it's core to their identity, and their prayer doesn't affect you at all unless you're religious, then it would be seen as very supportive.
Re:Indonesia bans forced religious attire in schools by alsetmusic on Sunday February 07, 2021 @10:05AM (#26055482)
> referencing a prayer in response to hearing that someone was infected with a dangerous disease isn't "far over the line of good taste."

I don't know if you deliberately misconstrued my words or not. I specifically said this:

> It doesn't bother me if a person says they'll pray for someone's recovery, for example.

What I found "over the line of good taste at the workplace" was this sort of statement:

> "The Lord blah blah and He will save with His grace yadda yadda."

"I'll pray," is non-specific. Getting into the details of one's religion ("God is male, in fact He's Jesus") bothers me. Maybe God is female. Maybe God has another name. Getting specific invalidates the beliefs of others.

And, once again, I am atheist. I don't believe in a supernatural creator. I just don't appreciate the assumption that one's superstitions are more correct than others.

Re:Indonesia bans forced religious attire in schools by TheAdamAndChe on Sunday February 07, 2021 @12:49PM (#26056616)
I'm sorry, I guess I don't understand. Why does it bother you when people express beliefs different from yours, and how do their beliefs affect you?
Re:Indonesia bans forced religious attire in schools by Retric on Monday February 08, 2021 @09:56AM (#26065284)
It’s not a religious belief being expressed that’s at issue. People don’t want to hear specifics about your beliefs any more than they want to hear about your sex life, personal fetishes, or bowl movements.
Re:Indonesia bans forced religious attire in schools by TheAdamAndChe on Monday February 08, 2021 @12:36PM (#26067551)
I'm truly sorry that hearing a prayer is equal to hearing of someone's shit to you. When you hear it, please understand that it's merely a show of support by them. Their culture probably doesn't think it's unkempt for such a personal display to be made to another person.
Re:Indonesia bans forced religious attire in schools by lotsofpulp on Saturday February 06, 2021 @06:08PM (#26050994)
I didn’t experience anything like the grandparent post even in places with higher proportions of religious people in the US. I even attended catholic and Lutheran schools as a kid, and no one cared about my religion (or lack of).