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Re:This Guy Has My MacBook by regomodo on Tuesday May 31, 2011 @05:19PM (#2604654)
Not US but Exeter, England. Long, rambling, poorly structured story ahead. TL/DR, bike gets thieved a couple times and police were useless. Vigilantism sometimes works.

My motorbike was stolen the 12hrs before I went sitting in a hedge in a field where I found some tyre tracks in some mud (nobody sensible would have a trials tire on a chicken chaser) of my bike earlier that day ( skipped classes at my EE uni course). After ~4hrs sitting in the cold and dark I hear the bike near to the field and set after it and try to pull the thief off as he goes around a roundabout (he just wobbled into the curb and goes off and I get flung to the ground). I phone the police telling them where my bike is ( I had reported the theft hours ago). I chase after the guy and he drops it somewhere (it went quiet) so I phone for my housemates only for 1 to drive home because he "doesn't like this one bit". I spent 20minutes waiting for the police only for me and a friend to fail at tackling the guy off the bike when he comes back and rides off.

I go looking for the bike with a friend (I hear it stop a long way off somewhere in a council estate) and interrogate one of the thief's friend who tried to follow the thief. Waste of time, it turned out the friend had put fake plates on his scooter. My friend miraculously spots my bike in a dark alley and we push it home. Then 3 fucking police cars turn up almost an hour after I tell them and I convince them I phoned them but I have nothing on me (I was certain I was at least going to get beaten up that night) so I get put in the cop car and taken home to get ID. Then they are happy that I wasn't the thief.

That was the 2nd time my bike got stolen.

1st time it was in a locked garage blocked by a locked car (smashed the window of the car to release handbrake and crowbarred the garage door and cut the lock. A few years later they torched the both and my bike along with my stuff stored in it [i was at uni]). Usual stuff first, police come down, take info and tell me they wont be able to find it. I bunk off school and go riding around on my mountainbike checking out all the council estates and woods near my home (Plymouth, England). Sure enough I hear it come down a path and see 2 people on it. I throw my mountainbike in front of them and they came crashing down and I banzai charge at them screaming. One of them runs for his life and the other just hung around claiming he didn't nick it (was offered a "go") and wanted compensation for damaging his "trackies". I believe him though as I had an inkling as to who knicked it. I ride out of the woods away from home with the mangled bicycle on my lap and I get my dad to come by to pick it up(http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonnobleuk/5783020123/), clear the woods between me and home and then I ride back. Police's response when I tell them I retrieved my bike back "oh, good for you."

For some unknown reason this heap of a bike got stolen 3 times. The 3rd time I gave up only for the police find it dragged 50meters away from my home where someone tried to use bolt-cutters on it. The police then tried to charge me £250 for retrieval fees. I slipped off from work to avoid that scam.

Re:This Guy Has My MacBook by singular on Tuesday May 31, 2011 @05:58PM (#2604827)
I'm from Exeter and that sounds full on. Luckily never had my bike nicked, but I was assaulted when I was working in a supermarket there one summer and the police turned up, basically told me it was pointless going after the guy and didn't seem to give one shit about the fact I'd just been attacked (to be fair - he pushed me into a display rather than hit me, but still).

Had a couple friends get mugged, luckily not me, in neither incident were the police even involved I don't think. People just don't think to go to them for such things such is their stellar reputation.

Also had my (push)bike nicked when I was a kid growing up which means I never actually learnt to ride a bike (my family were too poor to buy a replacement), but I guess that's a bit out of date now!

I really think things are worse for this kind of crime in a smaller town because there are more idiots who think they're king of the castle, the kind of guys who would come a cropper very quickly in a bigger city like London. Let's put it this way - I've nearly been in a fight like 2-3 times + actually got assaulted once in Exeter, never had any problems in London other than once getting my phone nicked.

I lost all respect for the police after an inadvisable night when I went to a concert in Milton Keynes and ended up sleeping rough outside the train station waiting for the first train (I was 16 at the time). The police turned up with blankets, etc. and just sat there in their vans laughing at us. Not to mention the way the MET handles protests (google Ian Tomlinson).

I would like to think most coppers are ok, but I can't help but wonder whether the police is just a destination for school bullies who want a bigger scope in which to ply their trade.

Re:This Guy Has My MacBook by regomodo on Tuesday May 31, 2011 @06:11PM (#2604880)
Ah cool. I sat in the field next to the Pinhoe bridge station. I got invited to the Heavitree copshop after the 3rd theft to try to figure out why it was getting stolen. I've no fucking idea.

Apart from that I never really had an issue with Exeter apart from maybe the god awful traffic and a few minor cases of racism from some kids. A friend got randomly punched in the Cavern ( I love that smelly, dingy nightclub)and had a face like a bruised elephant man for about a month. I quite like the town to be honest, the chavs are a lot less chavvy than swillies.

About stolen mountainbikes, I've had 3 stolen (all in Plymouth); one from under the kitchen window whilst my mum was doing the dishes; 1 locked in the previously mentioned garage; 1 locked up next to the Plymouth Charles Cross station. I confronted the thief on Royal Parade (2 minute walk from the police station) for about 5minutes and had the police on the phone whilst talking to him. He was fucking enormous and I was a weedy 19yr old so there was little I could really do. The police couldn't see him on any cctv.

My dad had 2 stolen and we saw 1 of the bikes being ridden in the aforementioned woods. My dad went after him with a tyre iron and I followed, we got it back (only for it to go up in the fire as it was aluminium).

It's not like we were rich to buy all these bikes. I worked up ~£600 from a paper round (a lot of papers at 3p each) for the 1st bike (the best 1) that got stolen and we really had to cut corners on most things to afford bikes to go racing. Not that they were ever really any good, they were always bitsas and there was always a really crappy part on it (saddles and pedals usually).

WARNING: rant.

I really do have a deep-seated hatred for police, at least the Devon+Cornwall. My family had to put up with almost 10years of racial abuse, violence, robbery, arson, gbh, false arrests, graffiti, property damage and theft. Smashing all the windows or pouring paint or battery acid or breaking off all the wipers or slashing the tires on our rotation of crap cars seemed to be a sport to them. That stopped after 4 of the usual culprits left home.

Let me tell you, ~30 people of all ages outside your door shouting racial slurs, even if they don't match your ethnicity, is intimidating when you are 12 and equally depressing when your non-participating neighbours walk on by or go inside their homes.

The police never did a thing except for 1 time when the guy ( who I thought stole the motorbike) was letching after my sister, came to our door banging on it, and started hitting my dad (he was a pensioner by this time) on our doorstep. We went fucking mental on him. He went to prison ( he later did the arson the day after he got out and came round to check his handy work) not for attacking and trespass but for attacking the police when they turned up an hour later (I phoned 999). Police couldn't give a shit.

My brother got ripped of his clothes and caned by two 14yr olds when he was 6. Police said "it's just boys playing".

One boy 5yrs older than I grabbed my arm and shoved it into a load of grease, I broke free and climbed a tree in our garden. That boys dad came down with a claw hammer and asked my dad where I was so he could kill me. I stayed very quiet in that tree.

Unlit boxes of matches got pushed through our letterbox on several occasions.

The police have always been fucking useless to me and have proven to us on a couple of times in court that they are liars (they can't get there stories straight and are always changing their statements). I always think they might redeem themselves. Not yet.

Re:This Guy Has My MacBook by highpass on Wednesday June 01, 2011 @09:24AM (#2607122)
I used to live in Exeter and thought the same about the police. Then I moved to Florida.

I miss Exeter police.

Re:This Guy Has My MacBook by yardie on Wednesday June 01, 2011 @04:02AM (#2606459)
the police...turned up an hour later (I phoned 999).

I see the problem. you should have dialed 0118 999 881 999 119 7253 [1]

[1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab8GtuPdrUQ

Re:This Guy Has My MacBook by singular on Tuesday May 31, 2011 @07:11PM (#2605082)
Ouch. Sounds like you've had a particularly bad time - was that in Plymouth specifically or Exeter? I can imagine racial issues being far more serious in the SW given the absolute lack of racial minorities. Luckily I never witnessed it/plus my friends and I were brought up to despise racism. It is more the chav families I think.

And yes, the cavern is nice :)

Anyway I fear we are digressing from the discussion rather here :) email if you fancy, address on profile.

Re:This Guy Has My MacBook by iamben on Tuesday May 31, 2011 @08:18PM (#2605290)
Plus points for the Cavern love ;-)

Never really had any trouble in Exeter - couple of pushy situations, but that's about it. One of my mates at Exeter Uni (99-02) was Asian and was subjected to some dreadful abuse. It seems to have got better in the last 10 years though.

Re:This Guy Has My MacBook by regomodo on Tuesday May 31, 2011 @07:16PM (#2605097)
nah. its all Plymouth. the place has changed now but we were the only ethnic minority for miles and felt like a tourist attraction at times.

Cheers

Re:This Guy Has My MacBook by singular on Wednesday June 01, 2011 @05:46AM (#2606644)
I'm not surprised that it mostly happened in Plymouth really, it certainly seems to have a great deal more poverty and thus criminal/anti-social issues than Exeter, largely relating I suspect to the reliance on the military docks down there at which work has very significantly reduced.

Anyway, hope all is good for you guys now!

Re:This Guy Has My MacBook by robin_reala on Wednesday June 01, 2011 @08:25AM (#2606949)
I went to uni in Exeter; my brother in Plymouth. Never got into any trouble in Exeter apart from phoning the police on what could have been an attempted kidnap, could have been a couple having a barney. There always seemed to be some shit going down in Plymouth though.
Re:This Guy Has My MacBook by singular on Wednesday June 01, 2011 @09:26AM (#2607134)
yeah, Exeter's a great town despite focusing on the deficiencies of the police (more a comment on the police in general), and is a way nicer place to live than Plymouth.

As I say in another comment I think Plymouth has more issues because of poverty resulting from the vast reduction in docks employment. Poverty begets crime and anti-social behaviour, same old story really.

Re:This Guy Has My MacBook by msredmond on Tuesday May 31, 2011 @07:08PM (#2605070)
My friend had his bike stolen in Long Beach, Ca. Decided to chase after the (very young) teenagers who took it. Got shot and killed.

Just FYI that vigilantism really isn't the way to go -- you just don't know what can happen.

Re:This Guy Has My MacBook by regomodo on Tuesday May 31, 2011 @07:28PM (#2605122)
I knew that both times. my brothers and sisters and i have been brought up unorthodoxly and have all had our asses handed back and noses broken for standing up for each other and ourselves.

rightly or wrongly I'd do it again and both times in the past I expected to be stabbed as I know chavs have a thing for flick and butterfly knives. I had recurring dreams when growing up of being stabbed in the neck, always defending someone. I always wake up in a pile of cold sweat with my heart going a million bpm. thankfully I rarely get them now.

Re:This Guy Has My MacBook by jrockway on Tuesday May 31, 2011 @08:24PM (#2605307)
This is true of anything.

People die in car accidents. People die in plane crashes. People die in Space Shuttle crashes. People die from heart disease. People slip and fall in the shower and then die. People die for no reason at all.

Some day, you will die. If you try to prevent yourself from dying, you will fail.

Re:This Guy Has My MacBook by notJim on Tuesday May 31, 2011 @08:46PM (#2605360)
Actually, since you can only fail once, the best way to improve your success rate is to try to keep from dying as frequently as possible.
Re:This Guy Has My MacBook by Periodic on Tuesday May 31, 2011 @09:11PM (#2605432)
Really, it's about risk management. Unfortunately, I don't know the probability that chasing after thieves will result in death, however, I am going to guess that the chance of harm to yourself is significantly higher than driving 100km. Just like there are some slopes a novice should not ski down, and there are some battles one should not pick, there may be some thieves one should not chase.
Re:This Guy Has My MacBook by jules on Tuesday May 31, 2011 @10:44PM (#2605711)
So, when you're standing at a cliff it doesn't matter whether you take a step forward or backward?
Re:This Guy Has My MacBook by tehjones on Tuesday May 31, 2011 @05:50PM (#2604798)
I had my bike stolen in Scotland, the police spent an hour in my house trying to convince me I had just done something 'stupid' and tried to blame in on a theft. It took the bike being radio'd in doing 70 in a 20 zone for them to believe me.
Re:This Guy Has My MacBook by 5l on Wednesday June 01, 2011 @01:27PM (#2608290)
I had my bike stolen and nearly didn't report it because usually nothing ever comes of it but I thought what the hell, and sure enough got the usual line about how unlikely it would be that they'd ever recover it.

Two days later I got a call to say that it hadn't actually been stolen after all, but rather some officers on the night shift had picked it up themselves as felt it was "at risk of theft". It had been sitting in one of their interview rooms the whole time.

Re:This Guy Has My MacBook by regomodo on Wednesday June 01, 2011 @03:24PM (#2608905)
How many more miles on the clock did it have? :)
Re:This Guy Has My MacBook by 5l on Wednesday June 01, 2011 @05:59PM (#2609555)
Oh, I meant bicycle. And it was still attached to the large clump of bricks I had used as a "theft deterrence" when the perplexed officer on duty took me to it. He actually had the cheek to grumble about not being able to interview criminals in the interview room while it was full of my crap.