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Re:Zero arrests in 6 months of health care professionals rep... by lettergram on Thursday February 04, 2021 @10:13PM (#26032640)
> It's horrible for everyone in the city--most of all for the homeless.

Have you worked with the homeless? Yes there is a lot of mental illness, but there is a large number of people who choose to live this way.

Re:Zero arrests in 6 months of health care professionals rep... by nobody9999 on Thursday February 04, 2021 @10:55PM (#26032921)
>Have you worked with the homeless? Yes there is a lot of mental illness, but there is a large number of people who choose to live this way.

Having been homeless myself many years ago, I can tell you from experience that not having money to pay rent or anyone to take you in is the reason people "choose" to be homeless.

And once you are homeless, it's very difficult to work yourself out of it, for many reasons.

I assume you haven't considered that it's very hard to keep (or even get) a job if you have no place to bathe or store your stuff while you're working.

Re:Zero arrests in 6 months of health care professionals rep... by lettergram on Thursday February 04, 2021 @11:17PM (#26033049)
I've worked in shelters and offered people food and a place to get cleaned up and they decline.

I grant you many are not like this and perhaps you're more knowledgable with your first hand experience. I know I personally, also from trying to offer people shelters or even free room-and-board, they don't take it. I don't know why in all cases, but many wanted to do things "their own way". I find it commendable and I respect those who choose to refuse handouts.

That's my point, they may not choose to be in that situation. However, forcefully detaining them for "mental illness" for not wanting "assistance" is a different discussion.

Re:Zero arrests in 6 months of health care professionals rep... by Broken_Hippo on Friday February 05, 2021 @08:09AM (#26035878)
Some shelters are pretty horrible. Sometimes, folks just don't want the shelter's help.

Horrible, as in: you can't stay here if you are a male with children. A female with children will have a curfew and need special permission if they happen to have part-time work that keeps them out after curfew. The children's father can't visit because it is technically for abused women. You can't make sure your medications are safe and you might not keep your belongings. You might be forced to go to AA meetings, church services, or to work in the thrift store. You might be turned away if you are trans or gay - I'm not sure that is supposed to happen legally, but it does nonetheless.

We should house folks, period. In actual housing. Shelters should always be a very, very temporary solution.

If you still get folks that insist on living on the street even though they have basically free housing, then surely, we can do better and create spaces for folks to live. You know, with showers and toilets available for use.

Re:Zero arrests in 6 months of health care professionals rep... by nobody9999 on Friday February 05, 2021 @12:43AM (#26033506)
>That's my point, they may not choose to be in that situation. However, forcefully detaining them for "mental illness" for not wanting "assistance" is a different discussion.

Who suggested that anyone was doing that?

Re:Zero arrests in 6 months of health care professionals rep... by door100 on Thursday February 04, 2021 @10:32PM (#26032774)
That's a rather bold assertion -- can you cite any statistics or surveys?

In some limited sense, they may "choose" homelessness over poor shelter conditions or unaffordable housing, but that can hardly be considered a choice.

Re:Zero arrests in 6 months of health care professionals rep... by imtringued on Friday February 05, 2021 @09:44AM (#26036774)
>but there is a large number of people who choose to live this way.

Well, if they aren't mentally ill and thus able to act rationally and it's a mass phenomenon then doesn't that point towards an underlying cause that makes it rational for a large number of people to choose homelessness?