German draft proposal would subsidize smaller firms to enter 5G market

Re:German draft proposal would subsidize smaller firms to en... by iagovar on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @01:50PM (#26017493)

So you want OpenRAN, that's cool, but who is exactly going to build the hardware for that in Europe if it isn't Nokia and Ericsson? Infineon? IDK man, I lack information here but I'd say that be careful with what you wish.

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Re:German draft proposal would subsidize smaller firms to en... by tpmx on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @01:57PM (#26017590)

Nokia Networks used to be called Nokia Siemens Networks - it was a joint venture between Nokia and Siemens before Nokia bought out Siemens in 2013. They still have lots of employees in Germany.

Nokia Networks recently announced Open RAN allegiance/support.

I guess this is about forcing Ericsson to do the same for some added competition. If they don't, who cares, lots of money will still flow back into the german economy.

> The German draft proposal includes over €300 million of investment in Open RAN technology,

This is sort of a (possibly) legal way for the german government to subsidize the company formerly known as Nokia Siemens Networks.

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Re:German draft proposal would subsidize smaller firms to en... by liotier on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @02:25PM (#26017968)

I'll believe OpenRAN when I see the interop party. Telco suppliers loath open standards - in practice they are usually only implemented as far as necessary to tick a RFP checkbox. Better than nothing though.

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Re:German draft proposal would subsidize smaller firms to en... by tpmx on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @03:49PM (#26018907)

Yeah, I'll tend to agree. I think this is Germany being Germany.

As a Swede: I've long thought that EU will split up in northern/southern parts. Germany is in the middle - this is a stab in the back of Sweden. Before this I thought Germany might end up in the northern part. Now they have forged an alliance with Finland/Nokia.

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Re:German draft proposal would subsidize smaller firms to en... by bilekas on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @05:37PM (#26020133)

Stab in the back of Sweden ? How so? Because of lower barrier for entry that might hurt Ericsson's bottom line ?

Ericsson will still be at the forefront of EU infrastructure, they have the money to do it and will earn from that, their reputation too is already favoured in the EU over Huwawei.. Which is the whole point.

But sure.. Swexit, lets 'extrapolate' that out then, Ericsson will then be under increased tarrifs and excluded from initial EU contract proposals.

They have not forged an alliance with anyone, they are leveling the market to allow for other competitors and not have a bottleneck on suppliers.

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Re:German draft proposal would subsidize smaller firms to en... by marsokod on Thursday February 04, 2021 @01:29PM (#26028291)

And Nokia bought Alcatel Lucent in 2017 so they've got a presence in France as well.

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Re:German draft proposal would subsidize smaller firms to en... by abledon on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @03:14PM (#26018526)

For More information...

I enjoyed this sites articles on the O-RAN matter[1]. There is an entire subsection with articles on the recent industry movements.

[1]https://www.lightreading.com/open-ran/nokia-is-making-risky-...

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Re:German draft proposal would subsidize smaller firms to en... by JAlexoid on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @03:52PM (#26018944)

The idea is that you don't need one fully vertically integrated specialist manufacturer, like you do now.

You can have multiple different components.... Think of like building your desktop PC today - you can have CPU from AMD, the motherboard from ASUS, GPU from MSI, SSD from Intel, etc...

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Re:German draft proposal would subsidize smaller firms to en... by herewegoagain2 on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @03:20PM (#26018596)

It doesn't matter, the German government hardly ever finishes their big projects. They just want to look good on paper and spend some tax payer money.

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