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Re:The Impact of Chief Diversity Officers on Diverse Faculty... by Mediterraneo10 on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @01:24PM (#26004595)
Some large nonprofit arts organizations (orchestras, theatres, etc.) have privately expressed that the hiring of a "chief diversity officer" has simply become a necessary cost for organizations. Even if you have already been doing outreach for years or decades to attract a more diverse audience, activists will hold it against you that you do not have a formal, salaried position dedicated specifically and solely to this aim.
Re:The Impact of Chief Diversity Officers on Diverse Faculty... by BitwiseFool on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @01:31PM (#26004700)
From an ideology point of view, this is amazing. Imagine having activist pressure be so strong that you can make institutions create high paying executive positions designed to satisfy your demands.
Re:The Impact of Chief Diversity Officers on Diverse Faculty... by jariel on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @01:56PM (#26005018)
This has become institutional.

And FYI it's not a paradox that you can 'care about diversity' and still be bullied by activists.

Major corporations are making requirements for panels at conferences etc. and it can get very complicated.

A female documentarian in Montreal just quit the industry over the institutional rejection of her work which focused on homelessness and happened to be mostly 'white men' due to requirements of diversity.

In my own discussions with 'executive level people' I find that they are generally of the classically liberal type (think European liberal). Basically - they are nice, upper middle class white men who actually do 'care' about such things, but generally are not exactly well read or super thoughtful on the issue. They're not 'up on the lingo' and are very, very afraid of saying or doing the wrong thing. The 'right thing' is effectively forced upon them, and they generally act to placate angry voices and want it to all go away, like a Father caving to his teenagers angry demands about this that, hoping that tomorrow it will all just go away.

I've heard, even my own very white, executive golf club member say the most 'woke' things lately it's almost made me laugh, when I inquire about it, it's clear they have no idea what they are saying, they are repeating the argument made to them by someone with a more radical view.

Because there is no 'pushback' on the issue (everyone is afraid), then things get out of tilt.

I'm not sure what the end-game is, but it would be nice if there were some kind of 'centrist' and defensible ideal that people could appeal to that enables execs to make thoughtful decisions about diversity but that aren't based on 'caving out of fear to activism'.

Re:The Impact of Chief Diversity Officers on Diverse Faculty... by 908B64B197 on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @05:22PM (#26007769)
> A female documentarian in Montreal just quit the industry over the institutional rejection of her work which focused on homelessness and happened to be mostly 'white men' due to requirements of diversity.

Homeless folks were white men in Montreal? How is that surprising?

Re:The Impact of Chief Diversity Officers on Diverse Faculty... by jariel on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @06:11PM (#26008348)
It's not surprising, it's just that she was getting widespread systematic and cultural pushback in the vein of: "It's not the time to tell stories about White Men". Of course, her own rejection of the industry wasn't popularly covered either in the press.

The industry preference is for sympathetic stories of Aboriginal, LGBTQQ, PoC etc..

This becomes apparent everywhere there is government or related money, i.e. grant applications for projects, even commercial enterprises.

Of course there's some thoughtful impetus behind this on some level, but these trends become cultish and authoritarian, sometimes promoting some upside down worldviews.

Re:The Impact of Chief Diversity Officers on Diverse Faculty... by CoolGuySteve on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @01:42PM (#26004817)
Doesn't seem much different than any of the ISO9000 guys I've met at big companies. Cushy job if you can tolerate it.
Re:The Impact of Chief Diversity Officers on Diverse Faculty... by BitwiseFool on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @02:19PM (#26005294)
ISO9000 is a documented and defined standard. What qualifies as 'Diverse' is entirely up to the whims of the most vocal.
Re:The Impact of Chief Diversity Officers on Diverse Faculty... by yjftsjthsd-h on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @02:06PM (#26005139)
I was going to argue that ISO9000 doesn't get its own C-level exec, but apparently Chief Compliance Officer is a thing so maybe
Re:The Impact of Chief Diversity Officers on Diverse Faculty... by namdnay on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @01:36PM (#26004751)
I don't see what "ideology" or "views" that would be. It's not like anyone is saying that diversity is bad, we all agree that the ideal company would match the diversity of the society it operates in.

It's just that hiring someone specifically for this seems a bit silly. To take a coding parallel, it's as if you had a "chief code review officer" to ensure people are doing enough code reviews. We all agree that code reviews are a good thing, and that most companies could do with more of them, but we also think it's a bit silly to have n executive position for it

Re:The Impact of Chief Diversity Officers on Diverse Faculty... by vel0city on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @01:50PM (#26004927)
> It's not like anyone is saying that diversity is bad

From the start, there are absolutely people out there who argue diversity is bad and that ultimately we should live in some kind of ethnostate. Then there's a whole gradient of people from that end to people who think the government should force integration in pretty much any semi-public setting. There are definitely people out there arguing diversity is bad. I don't agree with these people, but I at least acknowledge these people do exist.

In this spectrum, there are other people who don't have a problem with diversity but only wish for such things to happen more or less organically. Of course there's a view that if the people making hiring decisions are always a particular kind of world view they're going to usually select people they can self-identify with leading to a self-selection bias that restricts the rate of integration in an organization. Enforcing such integration or not, or the level of such forced integration, is absolutely a diverse range of policy viewpoints largely anchored on base political ideologies.

Your own opinion that "hiring someone specifically for this seems a bit silly" is a view you have based on your ideology. Others don't find it silly, which is their view based on their ideology.

Re:The Impact of Chief Diversity Officers on Diverse Faculty... by rory on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @02:00PM (#26005065)
I think the more common stance is that diversity is neutral, not good or bad but merely incidental.
Re:The Impact of Chief Diversity Officers on Diverse Faculty... by jimbob45 on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @01:39PM (#26004793)
I’m saying diversity is bad. I want a pure meritocracy, not a college campus where applicants are judged based on the color of their skin.
Re:The Impact of Chief Diversity Officers on Diverse Faculty... by namdnay on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @01:49PM (#26004925)
We seem to be arguing two different things. I'm saying diversity is a good goal for our society to aim for, not that it's a good means to get there.

i.e. I'm not saying that selection should be based on skin colour, I'm saying that it's a good long term goal for our institutions (be they fortune 500 companies or universities) to reflect the diversity of our society. There are lots of ways to get there, and american-style racial quotas are definitely not the best way IMHO

Re:The Impact of Chief Diversity Officers on Diverse Faculty... by free_rms on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @01:48PM (#26004898)
Which society should they demographically match, America?
Re:The Impact of Chief Diversity Officers on Diverse Faculty... by namdnay on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @01:51PM (#26004945)
I guess it depends on the company, right? For a global company I'd expect the top levels to be pretty global too.
Re:The Impact of Chief Diversity Officers on Diverse Faculty... by EpicEng on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @01:35PM (#26004735)
The tricky bit, apparently, is making the right demands in the first place.
Re:The Impact of Chief Diversity Officers on Diverse Faculty... by nailer on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @01:39PM (#26004792)
Hiring a Chief Diversity Officer is a fine demand, in that it requires the institution to pay attention to activists. Activists of the 'woke' kind generally prioritise attention over improving ethnic group involvement in a field. Once the CDO is hired, the activists will move on gaining attention by making subsequent additional demands.
Re:The Impact of Chief Diversity Officers on Diverse Faculty... by remarkEon on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @01:28PM (#26004654)
Absolutely, but it's not just nonprofits. It's become a competitive barrier to entry exercise throughout industry. Only the big, established players can afford to do this, and it functions as a sort of tax.
Re:The Impact of Chief Diversity Officers on Diverse Faculty... by naturalpb on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @02:08PM (#26005160)
“Tax” is a great model on which to view the situation! I also think of these leadership positions, critical race theory / anti-racism / unconscious bias trainings, and diversity initiatives as a sort of insurance policy against social media-driven outrage. A large organization pays the "premium" to prevent a possible large loss of brand reputation.

As you stated, this functions to benefit the large organizations that can afford the premiums while smaller organizations will go unprotected and pay the costs of the outrage that will be deflected their way.

Re:The Impact of Chief Diversity Officers on Diverse Faculty... by namdnay on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @01:36PM (#26004758)
I don't think small organisations would be criticised for not having this type of position though.
Re:The Impact of Chief Diversity Officers on Diverse Faculty... by BitwiseFool on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @01:52PM (#26004957)
I think it depends on how much attention the smaller organization gets. I can totally see a CDO being a de-facto requirement for Bay Area startups due to all the pressure from the politics in the area.

It's also possible a small to mid size organization gets into some imbroglio on Twitter and realizes they need a CDO to try and stop the bad PR.

Re:The Impact of Chief Diversity Officers on Diverse Faculty... by fallingknife on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @01:44PM (#26004847)
There is a high degree of overlap between people who care a lot about "diversity" and people who think bureaucracy gets things done and titles matter.
Re:The Impact of Chief Diversity Officers on Diverse Faculty... by derbOac on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @07:25PM (#26009050)
This is consistent with some of my experiences in a university setting. We had an applicant one year who complained (in a semi-formal grievance sense) that, when asked, the department didn't have sufficient numbers of formal administrative committees and roles assigned, programs, and so forth, to address diversity issues. What happened was they asked faculty questions along the lines of "what are you doing to address diversity issues in the department" and when the faculty couldn't point to formal administrative diversity positions and programs, concluded that we must not be doing anything. This led to a sort of penitential panic. The irony is that the most scathing complaints were leveled at the one faculty member in the department who probably did more to address diversity issues professionally in their career than anyone else, as it was a sort of research focus of theirs. The complaints weren't about inappropriate comments, it was about this faculty trying to address the question by way of reference to all the informal (but real) activities and practices going on.

It was one in a long string of "jumping the shark" moments for me, as it became clear that, even in a department full of people who were deeply and genuinely concerned about diversity issues, it didn't really matter what was actually done. What mattered were the formal legalistic trappings of it.

These types of formal programs can really backfire as well. I can recall another instance where the college had a sort of endowed faculty line aimed solely at minority hires. The irony was that this had the effect of attracting the most psychopathic elements in the programs, who publicly advocated hiring faculty under this mechanism in a sort of "pump and dump" scheme. That is, the line was in a certain area of research, which certain faculty had made it clear for years they believed was unworthy of hiring in. However, they were happy to advocate hiring using these diversity funds as a way of bringing money into the department, solely as a financial input, with the implication that it didn't really matter what happened to the faculty being hired. So in this sadly ironic way, this line, which was meant to bring in minority hires, ended up hurting minorities, by luring them into positions where they were almost certainly never going to get tenure, just by virtue of the politics of the research area in that program.

To be clear, I'm not actually advocating against diversity programs or officers per se, as I've seen these offices intervene in situations where it was desperately needed. It's almost like the current approaches I've seen have had the effect of creating as many problems as they solved, canceling everything out. It probably mirrors some of what goes on, where the same people aggressively advocating for addressing prejudice with regard to one characteristic can be some of the most bigoted prejudiced people with regard to another characteristic. Or people will change their tunes on diversity issues to suit their financial benefit.