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Re:Accounts with GAN Faces Attack Belgium over 5G Restrictions by binarymax on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @11:53AM (#26003338)
I am 100% convinced that if Twitter expanded their verified account program then these types of attacks would be rendered obsolete very quickly.

It just doesn't make sense that there is no way for an average real person to get verified and display an instant signal that differentiates them from a fake bot. It's absurd and it causes real harm.

Re:Accounts with GAN Faces Attack Belgium over 5G Restrictions by reaperducer on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @01:05PM (#26004336)
It just doesn't make sense that there is no way for an average real person to get verified and display an instant signal that differentiates them from a fake bot

It's the old tech cliché: "Because it doesn't scale." Which is just an excuse for "We're lazy and don't want to spend money on things that don't directly benefit our cafeteria and office toys."

After quitting Facebook a couple of years ago, I tried to log in to my Facebook account back in December to say Merry Christmas to some people, but I am locked out. Facebook asked me to send in a government photo ID, which I did. Nothing has happened since.

Responsibility doesn't scale. Accountability doesn't scale. Service doesn't scale. Doing the right thing doesn't scale.

On the plus side, I'm still not using Facebook.

Re:Accounts with GAN Faces Attack Belgium over 5G Restrictions by ajcp on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @07:29PM (#26009084)
>After quitting Facebook a couple of years ago

I read that as: After quitting Facebook as an employee a couple of years ago

Which made this:

> I tried to log in to my Facebook account back in December to say Merry Christmas to some people, but I am locked out. Facebook asked me to send in a government photo ID, which I did. Nothing has happened since.

Sound so very petty and cold blooded. You know, the Facebook we all know and love ;)

Re:Accounts with GAN Faces Attack Belgium over 5G Restrictions by jjcon on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @12:25PM (#26003770)
If verification is easy and accessible, what’s stopping a real person from getting a simple verification and then loaning out their account for bot actions (for a price)?
Re:Accounts with GAN Faces Attack Belgium over 5G Restrictions by im3w1l on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @04:16PM (#26006801)
It will ding your social credit score. As in other people will trust you less, and not just on twitter.
Re:Accounts with GAN Faces Attack Belgium over 5G Restrictions by jjcon on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @08:40AM (#26013462)
Why would someone trust me less not just on Twitter?
Re:Accounts with GAN Faces Attack Belgium over 5G Restrictions by binarymax on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @12:32PM (#26003857)
When you get caught you get booted off the platform.
Re:Accounts with GAN Faces Attack Belgium over 5G Restrictions by ardy42 on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @12:53PM (#26004202)
>> If verification is easy and accessible, what’s stopping a real person from getting a simple verification and then loaning out their account for bot actions (for a price)?

> When you get caught you get booted off the platform.

Which may not actually be a problem for most people. The thing that's stopping me from selling my Twitter account to a disinformation network is not my fear of losing access to Twitter, it's that I care about the problem of disinformation and don't want to see myself in the news for something like that.

I'm sure there are thousands of people who'd sell a simply-verified Twitter account, and they probably wouldn't even demand that much. People are already spending hours a day trying to sell their nudes, and still only making a few hundred dollars total (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/13/business/onlyfans-pandemi...).

Re:Accounts with GAN Faces Attack Belgium over 5G Restrictions by stickfigure on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @01:30PM (#26004689)
Buying verified twitter accounts is also a non-scalable solution. Sure in the short run you could probably get quite a few, but in the long run there are only so many people.

There's also a built-in compensating factor: To the extent that twitter accounts are worthless, it's easy to buy them. To the extent that twitter accounts are an important part of your identity online, people will tend to protect them. Try getting people to sell you their social security numbers.

Right now they're closer to the "worthless" end of that spectrum. But maybe verification would change that?

Re:Accounts with GAN Faces Attack Belgium over 5G Restrictions by ardy42 on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @02:28PM (#26005410)
> Buying verified twitter accounts is also a non-scalable solution. Sure in the short run you could probably get quite a few, but in the long run there are only so many people.

I don't think that's a problem if your goal is disinformation or manipulation: the report this network details consisted of only 14 accounts.

> There's also a built-in compensating factor: To the extent that twitter accounts are worthless, it's easy to buy them. To the extent that twitter accounts are an important part of your identity online, people will tend to protect them. Try getting people to sell you their social security numbers.

> Right now they're closer to the "worthless" end of that spectrum. But maybe verification would change that?

I guess I'm disputing the presumption that Twitter accounts will ever be that valuable across all the members of society that the risk of loosing access to Twitter will be enough of a deterrent to any particular rando out there. Twitter's appeal seems to be mainly limited to certain slices of society (e.g. politicians, political pundits, and wannabes), and there are probably far more people outside those slices than inside them. If a rando waitress can get a verified Twitter account, and such accounts are useful for spreading disinformation, the GRU and black-hat PR agencies will probably be able to get all the accounts they'll ever need for something on the order of ~$100 a pop.

Re:Accounts with GAN Faces Attack Belgium over 5G Restrictions by seniorivn on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @01:17PM (#26004511)
if verified accounts would be guaranteed to be able to post anything and hold accountable in court(not by twitter) that would be a completely different situation.

in this case, an average user selling verified account would risk legal and financial consequences. It's unlikely spammers and other bots would be able to afford buying such accounts in mass.

And additionally verified accounts would be out of touch for any censorship.

Re:Accounts with GAN Faces Attack Belgium over 5G Restrictions by LegitShady on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @01:28PM (#26004658)
This nefarious social credit scheme operated by tech oligarchs who will subject everyone else to it unwillingly brought to you by seniorvn as an attempt to help us 'trust'.

How about no.

Re:Accounts with GAN Faces Attack Belgium over 5G Restrictions by slater on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @12:43PM (#26004031)
As we can see with all those Twitter accounts that got bought for their usernames, which is AFAIK not allowed, but here we are, hey? /scnr
Re:Accounts with GAN Faces Attack Belgium over 5G Restrictions by jjcon on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @01:54PM (#26004990)
So I as someone that has never used Twitter could make a few bucks if I joined - worst case I’m back where I started?
Re:Accounts with GAN Faces Attack Belgium over 5G Restrictions by alextheparrot on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @01:39PM (#26004799)
Three days ago there was a hacked verified account that had done a name change posing as one of the Winklevoss twins trying to get people to send BTC to a random address. That is to say trust is a reoccurring cost and not as trivial as “Has checkmark” at T=0.
Re:Accounts with GAN Faces Attack Belgium over 5G Restrictions by jimmydorry on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @01:00AM (#26011015)
Twitter has conflated their verification process with "we support what these people are saying". Since 2016, there has been a growing number of people "de-checked".

Twitter could certainly make a new check system, but it would likely be (ab)used the sameway, eventually.

Re:Accounts with GAN Faces Attack Belgium over 5G Restrictions by bequanna on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @12:13PM (#26003637)
Why stop at Twitter? I would expect some service to exist (any maybe it currently does) that can easily verify whether or not any account is driven by an actual human.
Re:Accounts with GAN Faces Attack Belgium over 5G Restrictions by netsharc on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @12:40PM (#26003986)
But forced verification = people complaining about the lack of anonimity (which I would support too). Whistleblowing would be more restricted (or they could trust Twitter to keep their identity a secret, until a Twitter employee leaks their info for some money, e.g. Saudi money: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/alexkantrowitz/how-saud... )
Re:Accounts with GAN Faces Attack Belgium over 5G Restrictions by mrtesthah on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @01:04PM (#26004325)
Why not make it pseudonymous, and then federate identity verification by having neutral third-parties attest to who you are?
Re:Accounts with GAN Faces Attack Belgium over 5G Restrictions by tatersolid on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @11:05PM (#26022442)
Because approximately zero non-crypto-geek humans would participate, as the mechanism is inscrutable and of dubious value.

The complete failure of the PGP “web of trust” is a precedent.

Re:Accounts with GAN Faces Attack Belgium over 5G Restrictions by Krasnol on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @03:10PM (#26005938)
If we should have learned something from Facebook than that using a real name won't stop people from spamming and agitating.
Re:Accounts with GAN Faces Attack Belgium over 5G Restrictions by bostonsre on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @12:54PM (#26004211)
I think they would make less money if they stopped receiving ad dollars due to fake views.
Re:Accounts with GAN Faces Attack Belgium over 5G Restrictions by dan-robertson on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @01:00PM (#26004276)
Maybe they could charge people to become verified?
Re:Accounts with GAN Faces Attack Belgium over 5G Restrictions by binarymax on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @12:58PM (#26004257)
Of course. Which is why they don’t do it :)
Re:Accounts with GAN Faces Attack Belgium over 5G Restrictions by ggggggt on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @09:53AM (#26014069)
Im not going to verify my identity on social media for fear or being canceled.
Re:Accounts with GAN Faces Attack Belgium over 5G Restrictions by dd36 on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @01:02PM (#26004307)
We debated doing this as an outside service on any platform then creating filters but it’s dangerous as a business because it’s so trivial for Twitter to decide to do it. It is remarkable they haven’t done it. Facebook too.
Re:Accounts with GAN Faces Attack Belgium over 5G Restrictions by _trampeltier on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @01:02PM (#26004310)
Online verification .. what private data do you wanna know. With the actual rate and size of personal data leaks, we are close to a point, where it is pointless to do any online verification.