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Re:Medieval Cambridge skeletons reveal injuries to manual la... by lostlogin on Monday February 01, 2021 @01:19PM (#25991521)
> if we sent women to war, we wouldn't have any children. Any nation that did that was wiped off the face of the earth rather quickly.

If gender rolls were reversed wouldn’t be many examples where the death toll was high enough for this to occur.

In Britain in the 1921 census there were 1,209 single women aged 25 to 29 for every 1,000 men. In 1931 50% were still single, and 35% of them did not marry while still able to bear children.

After the war there were about 40% fewer single French men for every unmarried woman, compared to before.

Devastating loses but nowhere near enough to threaten the existence of a country. Post WW2 Germany and Russia would also be grim examples. It is of note that the 20th century was the first time that deaths from actual enemy action exceeded deaths from disease during war.

https://qz.com/389781/think-a-good-man-is-hard-to-find-now-t...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surplus_women

Re:Medieval Cambridge skeletons reveal injuries to manual la... by WalterBright on Monday February 01, 2021 @04:17PM (#25994085)
> Devastating loses but nowhere near enough to threaten the existence of a country

After WW1 the average height of a french soldier dropped by an inch or two (don't remember the exact value). This was attributed to the slaughter of the fit men. It also became fashionable to marry old men and foreigners.

I know in Germany after both wars there was the same effect on marriages, but I don't know about the height.

Re:Medieval Cambridge skeletons reveal injuries to manual la... by ndiscussion on Monday February 01, 2021 @01:49PM (#25991956)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harem

Perhaps we can increase my "50" years to "200" years. For the vast majority of history, having less men was considered eugenic and a good thing.

Re:Medieval Cambridge skeletons reveal injuries to manual la... by sudosysgen on Monday February 01, 2021 @02:18PM (#25992427)
In Islamic societies, men having multiple wives was quite rare, with the vast majority of marriages being monogamous.

It wasn't driven by having less men. It was driven by the upper class wanting more sex.

It also turned out to be disastrous for society, and most of the Islamic world has outlawed or severly restricted the practice as it leads to huge social problems.

The fact is that war has never been a large driver of casualties in these societies, outside of WW1 and WW2 which are the two exceptions and really don't prove your point. Wars were never fought to protect women, and most men died of disease and accidents, not war.

Re:Medieval Cambridge skeletons reveal injuries to manual la... by fork1 on Monday February 01, 2021 @08:09PM (#25996351)
Polygyny was not restricted to Islamic societies though, and was a common occurence accross many societies. It was always restricted to a limited amount of men of course, as only the most successful/powerful/whatever could afford it. It does have heavy social consequences, but those might or might not be an issue for a given society, as some were quite successful (ie surviving for a long time, no moral judgement here).
Re:Medieval Cambridge skeletons reveal injuries to manual la... by sudosysgen on Monday February 01, 2021 @09:56PM (#25996981)
I certainly agree, the analysis applies to all other societies, but the link in the post was specifically about Islamic societies.

My main point of contention was that it wasn't a widespread practice and wasn't motivated by a lack of men.