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Re:CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abando... by brtkdotse on Sunday January 31, 2021 @04:21AM (#25977386)
There was some hubbub in Sweden a while back about the armed forces putting up a _really_ specific job ad, like it was tailored to one person.

Well, it turned out it was, because the person posting the add forgot to take out the phrase “Make sure Björn meets these requirements” in the middle of the ad.

Re:CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abando... by juliendorra on Sunday January 31, 2021 @06:28AM (#25978026)
It’s an open secret in France that many, maybe most (?) calls for new teaching/research positions in university labs are designed to be won by someone already attached to the lab (like a doctoral student for example, or someone with a temporary contract).

In French it’s called being "fléché", as in attributed for someone. It’s of course totally contrary to the rules. (It’s most of the time somehow well intentioned, from the point of view of labs doing it, like there’s this great person doing a lot of work and they deserve this new opening the lab fought to get budgeted.)

The sad part is that some poor naive young researchers will prepare and cross the country to interview (hopefully now there will be more video calls) not knowing that the call is already custom fitted to someone in the lab.

The fun part is that, as there has to be a majority of external jury in the commission appraising the candidates, the external jury sometimes don’t even know that the call is rigged and pick another, clearly better candidate Then, a few months later the candidate starts their new job and is really puzzled at the attitude of this one person… the one that was supposed to win the call

Re:CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abando... by theshrike79 on Sunday January 31, 2021 @07:16AM (#25978251)
France has this down to an art.

When the French government puts out an EU wide bid for something (As is the rule in the EU), the bid will be won by a French company. Every. Single. Time. And it's not by accident.

Finland, on the other hand, is playing things stupid.

We've had cases where a city's laundry services was won by an Estonian company(!) because they were the cheapest. They actually shipped all laundry 300km+ south, over the bay and to Estonia. Wash it and send it back. For some reason the people handling the bid were all suprised_pikachu.png when it turned out the arrangement didn't work AT ALL.

That's all down to knowing how to write the bid so that the winner will also be the best.

Re:CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abando... by rvnx on Sunday January 31, 2021 @08:09AM (#25978527)
Estonia was probably chosen because Estonia has very good experience doing laundry of the Russians if you know what I mean.

Joke aside, it seems one of the winner of the Finland->Estonia washing contract is actually a Finnish national that incorporated a company in Estonia: https://www.aripaev.ee/article/2011/2/22/soome-pesupesijad-u...

Re:CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abando... by siilats on Sunday January 31, 2021 @10:00AM (#25979296)
Estonia has done a great job with these contracts. Washer salaries are 400Eur per month here and 1600eur per month in Finland so Estonians keep the washing factories open overnight.
Re:CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abando... by user5994461 on Sunday January 31, 2021 @08:59AM (#25978843)
For more context: When opening a permanent position, research institutions are required by law to advertise the position publicly and interview candidates.

We are talking about permanent positions guaranteed for life with fantastic perks. They're extremely competitive to get.

When a permanent position is opened, it's often for a position that's been contracted out for a while.

Want to hire the contractor who's been doing the job perfectly for 2 years? It's simply not possible because of the law above. Gotta advertise the job nationwide and run formal interviews. An interview panel will run interviews and pick whoever they like (it takes months).

It's not as rigged as the poster makes it out to be. The panel is 5+ random people selected among a very large company. They don't know that the position is tailored to someone and they couldn't care less either way, they're all people with a cushy position guaranteed for life, no favor to give. (It's really the opposite of Russia/China for those doing the comparison).

It's rigged in the sense that if there was somebody doing the job for year, they're probably more qualified than you are.

This rule exists to prevent middle managers from doing empire building and growing their headcount indefinitely. It works as you can see above where a better person was chosen.

Re:CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abando... by haddr on Sunday January 31, 2021 @07:24AM (#25978294)
I have a friend who was lucky enough to present himself and get such position. the reason was that the other guy made some mistake in the formal process (missed some required sheet of paper).
Re:CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abando... by anticapit on Sunday January 31, 2021 @06:57AM (#25978179)
This is exactly how American companies game the h1b visa system. When I worked at AVG we would write job requirement so specific to an Israel developers who worked for one of our subsidiaries that it was clear no other human being in the world could qualify for it.
Re:CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abando... by praeclarum on Sunday January 31, 2021 @09:15AM (#25978960)
What you call gaming, I call working around the government’s idiotic visa requirements.
Re:CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abando... by sokoloff on Sunday January 31, 2021 @10:17AM (#25979400)
That depends on what you see as the purpose of the visa requirements. If the purpose is to support economic prospects for American citizens and current residents (which seems like a completely valid purpose of government), then putting hurdles to ensure the job opening was “shopped” to qualified existing authorized workers seems pretty reasonable.

(I should clarify that I’m fully in favor of immigration programs that serve to increase the density of highly qualified individuals in the US and to fill positions which would otherwise go vacant. If as a small side-effect, those programs depress wages via increased supply, that’s still an excellent trade for the population. I am not in favor of visa programs substantially/primarily aimed at decreasing wages.)

Re:CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abando... by 1cvmask on Sunday January 31, 2021 @10:45AM (#25979586)
Increased supply of labor depresses wages ceteris paribus.

That is why George W Bush and older generation Republicans always supported legal AND illegal immigration. Their constituents were the businesss that thrived and made more profits from a cheaper laborforce.

The Democrats were historically hostile to immigration because their base was the working class. Now that Wall Street and Big Business has gone Democratic since Bill Clinton and the New Democrats there will be more supply of labor and thus lower wages ceteris paribus.

Re:CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abando... by gnu8 on Sunday January 31, 2021 @10:56AM (#25979686)
> ceteris paribus

Today I learned another useful latin expression.

Re:CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abando... by GizmoSwan on Sunday January 31, 2021 @08:56AM (#25978830)
Working for a subsidiary has a preferred status for getting a work permit in US.

It is called L-1 Intra-Company Transfer Visa: L-1A and L-1B for transfer of managers and specialists

https://workpermit.com/immigration/usa/employees-guide-us-im...

Re:CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abando... by da02 on Sunday January 31, 2021 @07:50AM (#25978425)
Why Israeli developers? Just out of curiosity, do you have any recommendations for anti-virus software for mobile or for desktops?
Re:CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abando... by anticapit on Sunday January 31, 2021 @11:27AM (#25979913)
Oh just in this case I was working at a security company and everybody we imported were from Israel. I’ve worked st 3 security companies and they all either had Israeli offices or had acquired Israeli security startups. It just seems to be a thing there.
Re:CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abando... by dalbasal on Sunday January 31, 2021 @08:09AM (#25978530)
I don't think he meant israeli developers in general. Specific people.
Re:CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abando... by colomon on Sunday January 31, 2021 @12:33PM (#25980599)
There's a bassoonist urban legend (possibly true) that Bernstein wrote the ludicrous high Fs in the West Side Story bassoon part so that one of his pals who played bassoon would have to be hired for the pit orchestra, because he was the only one around who could play that high.
Re:CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abando... by xondono on Sunday January 31, 2021 @09:05AM (#25978880)
This is how hiring works in most public tech centers and colleges here in Spain.

The job postings are useless, if you want to work there what you need is an introduction (someone to give your CV to a lead that needs hands on deck). Then 2 to 3 months later a job posting with an almost complete copy of your CV will appear and they’ll hire you.

Re:CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abando... by echelon on Sunday January 31, 2021 @05:09AM (#25977660)
Do you have a link to the story? That sounds both hilarious and disappointing.
Re:CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abando... by anon4242 on Sunday January 31, 2021 @06:14AM (#25977939)
Here's a link in Swedish: https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/70eXyK/forsvarsmaktens-...

Under the first bullet in the screendump in the article it says:

* Experience from personnel management positions and documented good leadership qualities (Here Henric lacks the clear experience why I think it should be moved to meritorious)

Re:CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abando... by brtkdotse on Sunday January 31, 2021 @05:52AM (#25977833)
Couldn’t find an English version, but I’m sure you can run it through a translate and get the gist of it

https://www.gp.se/nyheter/västsverige/militär-blunder-när-ny...

Re:CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abando... by johnchristopher on Sunday January 31, 2021 @05:24AM (#25977728)
A quick google search didn't give me much but I found this https://www.france24.com/en/20200115-swedish-military-duped-...
Re:CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abando... by fallingknife on Sunday January 31, 2021 @05:59AM (#25977860)
> He rose to the rank of major despite not having completed mandatory training, and was even temporarily promoted to be able to serve at the military alliance headquarters, the newspaper said.

Sounds like they could save a lot of money getting rid of the training requirement.

Re:CDC website built by Deloitte at a cost of $44M is abando... by tomcam on Sunday January 31, 2021 @06:56AM (#25978173)
That’s beautiful