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Re:Ask HN: How is GME not a pump-and-dump? by pastrami_panda on Friday January 29, 2021 @09:37AM (#25957617)
But according to statements from e.g. Melvin Capital they closed their position at a loss already. It's very hard to tell if this is actually the case but assuming it's true that ought to change the situation, no?
Re:Ask HN: How is GME not a pump-and-dump? by trsohmers on Friday January 29, 2021 @10:29AM (#25958202)
It is pretty easy to tell that Melvin was lying through their teeth when they said this... the volume for them to cover was not there, and most estimates was that it would take 6-8 days for them to actually exit their position.
Re:Ask HN: How is GME not a pump-and-dump? by nursur2011 on Friday January 29, 2021 @05:09PM (#25963362)
the 6-8 days to cover is based on historical volume is my understanding. If volume spikes 10x in a day they cover much faster. Besides, this assumes 100% covering, why would they do that vs. just incrementally?
Re:Ask HN: How is GME not a pump-and-dump? by pastrami_panda on Friday January 29, 2021 @08:13PM (#25964983)
This was exactly my thinking, why wouldn't they utilize these days of extreme volume trading to their advantage. It's their bread and butter, no?
Re:Ask HN: How is GME not a pump-and-dump? by nowherebeen on Saturday January 30, 2021 @02:38AM (#25967119)
Exactly. Hedge funds love volatility. They aren’t mutual funds. Hedge funds typically make the most and lose the most money during these times because they can take any side of the position as they see fit. People that invest in hedge funds know this.
Re:Ask HN: How is GME not a pump-and-dump? by beagle3 on Saturday January 30, 2021 @04:49AM (#25967740)
They are not magicians. They are on the losing side of what turned out to be a few billions dollar bet (real money. Not notional).

They usually profit from switching side quickly or making informed bets you can’t easily make - like shorting stocks.

Except, they dug too deep this time. We’re seeing another LTCM meltdown in process, albeit smaller and so far more contained.

Re:Ask HN: How is GME not a pump-and-dump? by TuringNYC on Saturday January 30, 2021 @10:14AM (#25969692)
Because while volume went up the price did also, so it’s costing them 10x to 20x to cover.
Re:Ask HN: How is GME not a pump-and-dump? by fsociety on Friday January 29, 2021 @11:54AM (#25959408)
They would be fined minimally for lying about closing their position, peanuts compared to how much they would lose if they have to cover their shorts.