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Re:Robinhood is said to draw on bank credit lines amid tumult by throwawaysea on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:43PM (#25951948)
Thank you for sharing. It is amazing to me how so many people in social media are assuming that Robinhood or others are teaming up with institutional traders to crush retail investors. It's not wrong to speculate about such possibility, but what I am seeing is people believing this theory with near-certainty, without understanding the underlying mechanics of trades, the regulations that govern it, and the kind of financial complexities firms like Robinhood can encounter.
Re:Robinhood is said to draw on bank credit lines amid tumult by alistairSH on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:51PM (#25952024)
I'm seeing some of that, but also a whole lot of "the rules are vastly in favor of the big guys - they can just stop trading when shit goes south, but us retail traders don't get to turn around and say 'nah bro, losing money, let's hit pause.'"

While that's not 100% accurate, it's in the general ballpark. And frustration with big financial players is high, and has been since 2008, for good reason.

Re:Robinhood is said to draw on bank credit lines amid tumult by dcolkitt on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:38PM (#25952475)
A broker is just a service. As it turns out a low-cost/free service provides an inferior service to high-cost prime brokers.

You get what you pay for. That’s not a scandal. It’s common sense. It’d be like me complaining that it’s no fair that Google can afford better infrastructure than my startup search engine.

Day trading is not a human right. Anybody who wants trading infrastructure like Citadel is free to go out and spend the same hundreds of millions it took Citadel to build that infrastructure.

Re:Robinhood is said to draw on bank credit lines amid tumult by alistairSH on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:37PM (#25953003)
I don't think that's quite accurate either. It's not that RH's service is terrible, it's they had to cut trades to meet regulatory obligations. But, by only cutting trades in one direction. And that happened to be in the direction that favors their largest customer. And that customer also happens to be on the hook for much of the short squeeze... The optics are TERRIBLE.
Re:Robinhood is said to draw on bank credit lines amid tumult by dcolkitt on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:41PM (#25953046)
They didn’t cut trades in one direction. They closed new positions in both directions. Buys were still allowed to close short positions, just the same as sells were allowed to close long positions.
Re:Robinhood is said to draw on bank credit lines amid tumult by alistairSH on Friday January 29, 2021 @08:52AM (#25957194)
Thanks for the clarification, I saw similar comments and assumed they were true.

Regardless, that doesn't change the optics to an outsider - the rich guys (hedge funds) get to stop their losses, potentially screwing the little guy.

Re:Robinhood is said to draw on bank credit lines amid tumult by horns4lyfe on Thursday January 28, 2021 @11:03PM (#25953733)
That might be true if government and big finance weren’t so intertwined. A lot of these big players are propped up by endless QE, which will eventually hit normal people in the form of inflation and taxes.
Re:Robinhood is said to draw on bank credit lines amid tumult by recursive on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:45PM (#25953094)
> Anybody who wants trading infrastructure like Citadel is free to go out and spend the same hundreds of millions it took Citadel to build that infrastructure.

Well, no. Most people don't have that. "The rich get richer".

Re:Robinhood is said to draw on bank credit lines amid tumult by bilbo0s on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:35PM (#25952456)
I believe throwawaysea's point is that the one thing has nothing to do with the other. Essentially, the bank weighing in saying "We don't believe your customers are good for this amount of money you claim they are good for." is, at heart, just financial prudence on the part of a trade's 3rd party backer. The other is criminal collusion on the part of people on the other side of a trade. But the 3rd party backer doesn't care about any of that as horrible as it may sound. They just want to be sure they can get their money from both sides, and they're not at all sure about that with these GME/BBY/AMC et al trades.
Re:Robinhood is said to draw on bank credit lines amid tumult by alistairSH on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:05PM (#25952710)
I get that, but the financial links between the players here doesn't look good, even if it's all legal.

Citadel bailed out Melvin. Citadel is RH's biggest customer. RH chops off the retail traders, but only in the direction that favors Citadel (and Melvin).

Was RH just ensuring they comply with regulations? Probably. Does it look like RH is doing Citadel a solid at the expense of their users? Absolutely.

Re:Robinhood is said to draw on bank credit lines amid tumult by stefan_ on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:19PM (#25952301)
Nobody cares for the forest, they care about outcomes, as do regulators.
Re:Robinhood is said to draw on bank credit lines amid tumult by bilbo0s on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:38PM (#25952483)
Not quite.

Policymakers care about outcomes.

Regulators care that you followed the rules to the letter.

You can't say, "Oh hi Mr SEC and Ms DOJ! I know I broke laws a,d, and j, but we had a good outcome so no worries!" You'll go to prison for that.