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Re:High Short Interest Stocks by jcims on Thursday January 28, 2021 @06:45PM (#25951188)
If the shares were printed on stock certificates how would you get to 100.01% short interest?
Re:High Short Interest Stocks by kortilla on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:38PM (#25951893)
When you sell your stock certificate, you hand it over to someone who can loan it out themselves.

As a thought exercise, consider that I can borrow your stock and sell it right back to you short. We can repeat this process a million times. 1 million shares short now based on 1 share.

This is not naked shorting because borrowed the stock from you each time with you willingly participating.

Re:High Short Interest Stocks by jcims on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:46PM (#25952544)
This was very helpful thank you.
Re:High Short Interest Stocks by toast0 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:40PM (#25952503)
It would take a bit more time, because stock certificates are a pain to handle. But I would let you borrow my stock certificates (for interest and with good collateral), you would sell them to someone; then that person might let you borrow them (for interest and with good collateral) and you could sell them to another someone (or the same someone, whatever).

Certificated stock is slightly less fungible than shares of book-entry stock; because I probably want you to return a single certificate with my shares, and you may have to separate or combine certificates which takes time and money. One of the many reasons certificated stock has been on the way out.

Re:High Short Interest Stocks by jcims on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:48PM (#25952565)
Thanks, this cleared up my (mis)understanding!
Re:High Short Interest Stocks by GizmoSwan on Thursday January 28, 2021 @11:40PM (#25954013)
This is where a block chain will be useful to make sure that there is a fool proof locking mechanism.
Re:High Short Interest Stocks by ars on Thursday January 28, 2021 @06:51PM (#25951255)
When you short a stock you sell it. Whoever you sold it to can loan it again. There's no limit to that.
Re:High Short Interest Stocks by GizmoSwan on Thursday January 28, 2021 @11:44PM (#25954027)
Technically there is should be only one person owning the stock and only one person who can short it at a time.

That is why the system needs something like a block chain semaphore.

Re:High Short Interest Stocks by sokoloff on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:34PM (#25951850)
If they were printed on stock certificates, how would you get to 0.01% short interest? You get to any other number by repeating that process.

Imagine a company with 1 share of stock floating. Abel buys that share and loans it to Baker (via Abel's broker). Baker borrows the share and sells it to Charlie. Charlie loans their share to Diane. Diane sells it to Earl. Earl loans their share to Fred. Fred sells it to Gary...

Re:High Short Interest Stocks by jcims on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:47PM (#25952559)
The recursive nature is what i was not understanding, thank you.
Re:High Short Interest Stocks by tedtonks87 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @06:51PM (#25951262)
Re:High Short Interest Stocks by OJFord on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:39PM (#25952487)
No, naked refers to not having the borrow. More than 100% can be borrowed if someone buys it from someone who borrowed it and loans it to someone else. That's just short, whatever the percentage, not naked short.
Re:High Short Interest Stocks by jcims on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:45PM (#25952542)
This helped me understand the difference, thanks!