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Re:The Climate Crisis Is Worse Than You Can Imagine. Here’s ... by rayiner on Thursday January 28, 2021 @02:32AM (#25939192)
I can imagine a lot of things, but what the science is saying and what this article is saying don't seem to line up. It reminds me of this tweet from Senator Ed Markey: https://twitter.com/SenMarkey/status/1101234939058683904?s=2...

> Climate change is literally destroying the planet. According to the Trump admin's National Climate Assessment, with no action, climate change will result in 10% GDP loss by 2090.

That 10% figure is on the high end (see: https://www.factcheck.org/2019/03/how-much-will-the-green-ne..., under the heading "10% of GDP?). But even taking it at face value, it's irreconcilable with Markey's assertion about "literally destroying the planet" or the article's claim of "apocalypse." It's like two completely opposite thoughts in the same tweet, and I can't decide whether Markey is crazy or I am.

What is an apocalypse? The year my dad was born in Bangladesh, the under 5 mortality rate was about 1 in 3 children. That wasn't great, but it still wasn't "apocalypse." Will climate change be that bad? I don't think that's what the science says, but am I missing something?

Re:The Climate Crisis Is Worse Than You Can Imagine. Here’s ... by varvar on Thursday January 28, 2021 @02:40AM (#25939251)
What you're missing in my opinion is how profitable drumming up existential fears about climate change in the population has been over the decades.
Re:The Climate Crisis Is Worse Than You Can Imagine. Here’s ... by throwaway5752 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @02:43AM (#25939273)
How profitable? This guy in the article? Al Gore getting a speaking gig?

Aramco does $300B revenue annually, and they are less than 10% of the market. Only an idiot would go into climate change advocacy for the money.

Re:The Climate Crisis Is Worse Than You Can Imagine. Here’s ... by covidthrow on Thursday January 28, 2021 @02:59AM (#25939370)
Perhaps you underestimate the total number of idiots on this planet.
Re:The Climate Crisis Is Worse Than You Can Imagine. Here’s ... by IfOnlyYouKnew on Thursday January 28, 2021 @02:46AM (#25939284)
Yes, there’s, like, at least a dozen post-docs financing a burgeoning ramen habit off of it.
Re:The Climate Crisis Is Worse Than You Can Imagine. Here’s ... by Fricken on Thursday January 28, 2021 @03:28AM (#25939548)
You're literate, you can form complete sentences, most of you have a post secondary education. It's not news, you've had your whole life to figure this out. The debate was over a long time ago. The party is over, the balloons are all either popped or up in the ceiling. Time to put away your gazoo, and wash the make-up off. This is no time to be a clown.
Re:The Climate Crisis Is Worse Than You Can Imagine. Here’s ... by rayiner on Thursday January 28, 2021 @04:09AM (#25939824)
No, that’s a scientifically accurate take. The actual science of climate change should not cause someone in America “existential fear” (not unless you already sit up worrying about floods in Bangladesh anyway).
Re:The Climate Crisis Is Worse Than You Can Imagine. Here’s ... by Gibbon1 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @03:52AM (#25939703)
The HN hive mind figured out how they wanted to the world to be when they were 13 and they haven't updated it since.

Climate Change. Renewable energy vs nuclear power. No we aren't all going to travel to other planets. You will never be a heroic figure. Women have their own opinions of things. Pandemic upends the daily routine. Car culture sucks and isn't sustainable.

None of those was part of The Plan and so the hive mind hates it.

Re:The Climate Crisis Is Worse Than You Can Imagine. Here’s ... by ncmncm on Thursday January 28, 2021 @02:56AM (#25939348)
You are missing that economics is not science, and economists are, collectively, very carefully avoiding even considering the bulk of wholly predictable effects just because they have no way to incorporate them into their models.
Re:The Climate Crisis Is Worse Than You Can Imagine. Here’s ... by covidthrow on Thursday January 28, 2021 @02:56AM (#25939351)
You're witness to mass hysteria driven by a whole lot of profit motive, career posturing, and social signaling, with a touch of "some kinda/pretty bad stuff is gonna happen."

When I was younger—before the internet was in every home—I read articles about how the "information superhighway" was going to bring the whole world closer together. To my mind, that was analogous to a major city gone amok: unprecedented competition with everyone vying for attention.

One guy paints his sign on his window. The next guy lights up his sign. The next backlights a plexiglass sign. The next uses neon. The next blinks his neon. And so on.

It took some time, but we're about at the point of maximum stimulus on the internet. And so to compete, the messaging follows a similar pattern. And eventually some people believe what they read. And others believe what they write.

Those that believe what they write become desensitized. Those that believe what they read become indoctrinated. And you're left with this emergent characteristic of a chaotic system stuck in feedback loops.

What you read as overstated, others will read as gospel and damn you for underplaying the emergency. And they will try to shout louder than the next, because everyone is a storefront for something; profit, or power, or ego, or social status.

So what's an apocalypse?

Not global climate change.

The apocalypse is what you witness as you try to decipher and pick apart the insanity that has become not only the internet, but soon the whole of humanity.

The climate change cathedral had it right all along: we are the apocalypse. But they got wrong the cause.

The cause is not climate change. Or fascism. Or racism. Or even hatred.

The cause of our apocalypse is us, by virtue of our connected hyper-competition. The apocalypse is the "human superhighway."

Re:The Climate Crisis Is Worse Than You Can Imagine. Here’s ... by teddyh on Thursday January 28, 2021 @04:07AM (#25939808)
“What causes it? The world causes it. This causes it, this causes it, this causes it – information overload! All the electronics around you poisoning the airwaves! Technological fucking civilization! But we still we have all this shit, ’cause we can’t live without it.”

— Spider, Johnny Mnemonic (1995)

Re:The Climate Crisis Is Worse Than You Can Imagine. Here’s ... by mandis on Thursday January 28, 2021 @03:53AM (#25939710)
This is a brilliant text. It joined pieces of knowledge I had into one unibody that sort of illuminated a whole new pathway! Thanks for this!

Perhaps you may have seen this? Will Schoder on the Attention Economy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50R21mblLb0