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Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by tomnipotent on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @06:32AM (#25926965)
> but also the lacklustre performance of Intel

Current-gen Intel & AMD processors are pretty much neck-to-neck in both performance and price.

Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by beezle on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @10:51AM (#25929716)
While I don't think you should be downvoted, I think you are probably wrong - there is quite a bit difference in the passmark ratings.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+9+5900X&i...

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i9-10900...

Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by totalZero on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @12:13PM (#25930764)
I think the comment to which you replied is definitely true for laptops, and it is yet to be clarified for desktops.

Also, not to be overly pedantic but technically that 10900K is not the current generation (see the "10" at the beginning of the model designation); the 11th-gen Rocket Lake is coming out imminently.

Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by leetcrew on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @03:26PM (#25933477)
the IPC boost might be enough to take back the single-thread crown. I highly doubt the 8-core top SKU is going to beat the 12-core 5900X in parallel workloads, but we'll see soon enough.
Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by simion314 on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @06:43AM (#25927047)
>Current-gen Intel & AMD processors are pretty much neck-to-neck in both performance and price.

I think this is only if you ignore multi-threading but I might be wrong, did Intel release better multi core CPUs or cut down the prices?

Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by lhl on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @07:23AM (#25927340)
The newest Intel 11th-gen i9-11900K actually reduces core count from 10 (on the i9-10900K) to 8, although leaked performance numbers point to the new chip matching last-gen's multi-threaded performance due to a huge single-threaded performance bump.

It's worth pointing out that their new chips aren't out yet ("Q1") and Intel has completely given up on matching AMD's 12C or 16C parts.

Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by tomnipotent on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @10:47AM (#25929622)
Here's the i9-10900k 10-core vs AMD 5900x 12-core. Intel comes in at about $52/core, and AMD at $46/core (assuming you can find a 5900x, good luck).

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-9-5900X-vs-I...

This chart from Tom's Hardware shows a similar story:

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/auqNuTshdmehuqLXX32BBF-970...

AMD Zen3 has a lead on Intel 10th gen, but the cost/performance story has shifted.

Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by darkwater on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @12:06PM (#25930660)
So AMD is still cheaper but somehow "story has shifted"? AMD is still ~12% cheaper per core and has more cores. Also, 2nd image you linked, AMD has better performance per core.
Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by Jonnax on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @06:38AM (#25927014)
How about power consumption?

Or PCIe Gen 4 support?

I wouldn't say Intel has anything worth looking into if you want 32 or 64 cores on the desktop.

Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by tomnipotent on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @11:07AM (#25929937)
Gamers Nexus found negligible impact from PCIe 4, using RTX 3080 and 4K games to saturate bandwidth so could be a different story from other types of workloads:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DKVVtirNM8

Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by sdflhasjd on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @12:20PM (#25930873)
As I understand, that is to be expected because PCIe GPUs get 16 lanes, which is more than enough.

There's more to PCIe than just graphics cards. SSDs, Thunderbolt, 10G Ethernet, USB 3.1-2 are some bandwidth demanding applications that could benefit

PCIe NVME drives only get 4 lanes through the m.2 port, and drives run close to the bandwidth limits on 3.0, I think I've seen benchmarks showing 30% improvements on 4.0 compared to 3.0

I'd also be interested in what difference there is running a PCIe 4.0 graphics card with only 8 lanes on 4.0 vs 3.0

Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by leetcrew on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @03:33PM (#25933551)
> I'd also be interested in what difference there is running a PCIe 4.0 graphics card with only 8 lanes on 4.0 vs 3.0

it's measurable, but not very significant. take a look at these charts: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-p... (pcie 2.0 x16 is equivalent to or slightly worse than pcie 3.0 x8)

Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by tw04 on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @11:21AM (#25930108)
I generally don't buy a new PC every year and there's something to be said about future proofing. PCIe 4 may be negligible today, I doubt that will be the case in 2 years when we've been through at least one full graphics card lifecycle and maybe 2, depending on how heated the competition becomes.

Even if I were to buy a new CPU, I don't want to buy a new motherboard too just to have access to 4.0 slots.

Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by phkahler on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @01:19PM (#25931740)
I think the integrated graphics in AMD APUs are way beyond adequate for a large number of people. Unless you're running games from the last few years you don't even need a graphics card, never mind a dedicated PCIe slot. 3.0 should provide good performance on NVME drives and WiFi.
Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by extrememota on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @11:47AM (#25930404)
However, if you do any kind of GPU computation PCIe4 is the thing to have. Same goes for RTX 3080 etc.
Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by modzu on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @08:43AM (#25928127)
well, the Intel chips actually exist
Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by neogodless on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @01:21PM (#25931772)
https://www.techspot.com/review/2188-amd-ryzen-5980hs/

For example, Cinebench R20: Ryzen 9 5980HS (35W) scores 4517, Core i9-10980HK scores 3484. Other benchmarks follow suit, but that's the first one listed.

> With Ryzen 5000, and by extension the Ryzen 9 5980HS, AMD is delivering much better single-thread performance. The 5980HS provides a ~20% gain versus the 4900HS, which is significant for an architectural improvement on the same process node. This takes the 5980HS above Intel’s 10th-gen H-series in all workloads, and allows Zen 3 to trade blows with Intel’s Tiger Lake featuring Willow Cove CPU cores

Tiger Lake is competitive in single core, but I believe they currently top out at 4-core CPUs.

> The Ryzen 9 5980HS is by far the fastest mobile processor available in the 35W power class, and easily offers 20-30% more performance than Intel’s best chip, the Core i9-10980HK, at a lower power level.