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Re:Red Hat announces no-cost RHEL for small production envir... by garbagecoder on Wednesday January 20, 2021 @02:13PM (#25850592)
Yeah, I'm not running anything with some weird contingent license if I'm running Linux. Completely defeats the purpose. Also, now more than ever, after last month's big hacks I think building things from source makes more sense. I'll be sticking with gentoo for my mission-critical bare metal installs when I need Linux.
Re:Red Hat announces no-cost RHEL for small production envir... by doanerock on Wednesday January 20, 2021 @03:15PM (#25851371)
Shit you have time to compile everything from source. What is this a air gapped laptop?
Re:Red Hat announces no-cost RHEL for small production envir... by symlinkk on Wednesday January 20, 2021 @02:29PM (#25850818)
I would not trust the community of volunteers that maintain Gentoo in their free time for anything mission critical. I would use Ubuntu or Red Hat, which are backed by companies.
Re:Red Hat announces no-cost RHEL for small production envir... by nisa on Wednesday January 20, 2021 @02:31PM (#25850842)
I've got bad news for you - most of Ubuntu is repackaged Debian which is from a community of volunteers that maintains the packages. Besides that Ubuntu used to be sloppy in backporting important patches and doing some NIH here and there... not sure about Redhat but they source heavily from Fedora which is also community-based.
Re:Red Hat announces no-cost RHEL for small production envir... by akerl_ on Wednesday January 20, 2021 @02:52PM (#25851099)
I’m not sure I can agree with this concern. All Linux distros work by repackaging upstream code, the majority of which is written by volunteers. For Debian, they’re repackaging directly from upstream. Ubuntu repackages from Debian.

The value of going through a company is that you can choose to write a check to Canonical or RedHat and say “I’m hitting this issue with the software you repackaged, here is money, fix the problem”. There’s no similarly direct pay-to-win for Fedora or Debian. You can shop around for a consultancy or engineer and pay them to try to debug the issue, but they’re always going to be coming in as a 3rd party, which has an impact on the levers they can pull to resolve an issue.

Re:Red Hat announces no-cost RHEL for small production envir... by jamiesonbecker on Wednesday January 20, 2021 @03:09PM (#25851299)
> You can shop around for a consultancy or engineer and pay them to try to debug the issue, but they’re always going to be coming in as a 3rd party

Except for software that was written in-house or the packaging itself, RH or Canonical would also always be coming in as a third party.

... whereas your consultant might be the original author of the upstream code.

Re:Red Hat announces no-cost RHEL for small production envir... by symlinkk on Wednesday January 20, 2021 @04:43PM (#25852391)
Most Linux software is written by Red Hat. GNOME, Wayland, and systemd are all Red Hat projects. They are even a major contributor to the kernel itself.
Re:Red Hat announces no-cost RHEL for small production envir... by jamiesonbecker on Wednesday January 20, 2021 @05:05PM (#25852604)
> Most Linux software is written by Red Hat.. even a major contributor to the kernel itself.

Oh! I didn't realize Red Hat had hired RMS. :-/

Setting aside the controversial nature of those three specific projects (and the fact that this statement is demonstrably false), this statement demeans the contributions of thousands of coders, even from before Linux existed.

(let alone before Red Hat was a gleam on Bob Young's head.)

Re:Red Hat announces no-cost RHEL for small production envir... by pabs3 on Thursday January 21, 2021 @12:06AM (#25855644)
There are consultancies that do that for Debian, the major ones have multiple engineers contributing to Debian and even more to upstream projects.

https://www.debian.org/consultants/

Re:Red Hat announces no-cost RHEL for small production envir... by nisa on Wednesday January 20, 2021 @03:27PM (#25851541)
It's not a concern but just an observation that things in universe in Ubuntu get rarely if at all backports. It's okay. I agree about having a company especially regarding timely security updates.
Re:Red Hat announces no-cost RHEL for small production envir... by strzibny on Wednesday January 20, 2021 @02:55PM (#25851143)
Red Hat sponsors Fedora big time. I was part of the packagers team for Ruby. Next to us were sitting Perl guys (you would never believe how many Perl packages are still there...!) and somewhere else folks doing Python packaging.

Source: Formal Red Hat packager working on Fedora.

Re:Red Hat announces no-cost RHEL for small production envir... by symlinkk on Wednesday January 20, 2021 @02:50PM (#25851082)
It doesn’t matter that Ubuntu packages originally came from Debian. At the end of the day, Canonical employees are being paid to make sure they are up to date. I trust that over a bunch of volunteers who do it out of the goodness of their heart.
Re:Red Hat announces no-cost RHEL for small production envir... by sigzero on Wednesday January 20, 2021 @02:33PM (#25850867)
You just described just about every OS that isn't Microsoft of Apple. Good luck with that attitude.
Re:Red Hat announces no-cost RHEL for small production envir... by pjmlp on Wednesday January 20, 2021 @04:32PM (#25852281)
That just shows a lack of knowledge of the quantinty of commercial OSes available out there.

Were are the volunteers for Sony and Nintendo console OSes, Android, ChromeOS, Fuchsia, IBM i, IBM z/OS, INTEGRITY, QNX,Unisys ClearPath, Solaris, HP-UX, Aix, vxWorks.....?

Re:Red Hat announces no-cost RHEL for small production envir... by m4rtink on Wednesday January 20, 2021 @10:55PM (#25855200)
Both PS Vita and Nintendo Switch have miles long credits listing all the licenses (mostly BSD) and authors of the many OSS software bits they use.
Re:Red Hat announces no-cost RHEL for small production envir... by pjmlp on Thursday January 21, 2021 @12:39AM (#25855837)
Indeed and almost zero contributions to upstream.

Those listings are required by the license.

Also they aren't Linux or BSD derivatives, rather their own OSes.

Re:Red Hat announces no-cost RHEL for small production envir... by m4rtink on Thursday January 21, 2021 @01:06PM (#25861949)
Yep, exactly - IIRC Sony did some code drops to FreeBSD long ago improving SMP performance but that was preatty much it.