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Re:TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England by scotty79 on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @08:50AM (#25833375)
I wonder if people will ever notice how socially and psychologically toxic is advertisement business and regulate it stringently.
Re:TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England by faceplanted on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @09:17AM (#25833572)
People have clearly noticed the social and political issues with advertising for a very long time now. The issue is that it's hard to rally against one of the most lucrative businesses ever to exist that inherently has an extreme amount of messaging power to defend itself.
Re:TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England by lotsofpulp on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @09:19AM (#25833596)
I think the issue is people really like watching TV and movies, and continuing to watch the content shows they are OK with all the ads. Never have people had more access to other content, or other ways of entertaining themselves.

I have no idea how people put up with the NFL in the US.

Re:TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England by staplers on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @12:34PM (#25836032)
During the early days of sports streaming (sometimes still) you'd find a stream with a live feed of the stadium broadcast without the ads. During the commercial breaks you'd be able to watch what was on the megatron (camera panning crowd, in-stadium entertainment).

I would pay a massive premium to have access to that feed for every sports broadcast. Gabe Newell said it best about piracy offering the best experience.

Re:TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England by scotty79 on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @10:49AM (#25834588)
Have they defended themselves by appealing to public?

People mostly hate advertisements. I think they rather fight using money not public.

Re:TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England by ballenf on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @10:04AM (#25834031)
It's also worth noting that advertising is nearly a necessity in an industrialized society. Production of goods has high capital upfront costs and marginal costs that become negligible at scale. You can't get that scale without advertising or a government-mandated monopoly. Or, at least, you can't get that scale quickly enough.
Re:TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England by scotty79 on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @11:00AM (#25834728)
For me economy is like a forest.

Trees (companies) compete for sunlight (purchases) and adverisements are their trunks.

They 'waste' enormous amount of energy on trunks not because longer trunks increase the amount of sunlight. They just lower the probability of being overshadowed by the others.

If somehow trees could agree on how high the trunk should be at most they could limit this waste.

Instead they literally grow trunks as long as the physical laws allow.

Instead of tons of in your face advertising everywhere you could have just one goverment manager directory of stuff and services. Where companies could register their products, services, pricing.

Of coure there would be law breakers and positive publications about brands paid for under the table but I think overt ban would lead to economy wasting much less money on advertising to outcompete itself.

I don't think such a drastic change will ever happen. Large percentage of our culture is created directly for the purposes of advertising. So advert free society would be different in so many ways. But I would bet it wouldn't be worse. And if it was, we could just lift the ban and see trunks grow back.

Re:TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England by nitrogen on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @12:30PM (#25835963)
Instead they literally grow trunks as long as the physical laws allow.

In some cases this was literally true, as fast food franchises would keep raising their logo signs higher and higher until municipalities set height limits.

Re:TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England by eplanit on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @09:41AM (#25833789)
Less toxic than law enforcement knocking on my door to see if I have a damn television. I'd rather reign in authoritarianism.
Re:TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England by scotty79 on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @11:06AM (#25834807)
Driving door to door is insane for me. They'd be much better off if they funded BBC from tax directly. People should pay for it to exist whether they have TV or not becuse everybody benefits(?) from culture creatd by BBC.
Re:TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England by faceplanted on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @10:13AM (#25834143)
They're not law enforcement
Re:TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England by eplanit on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @10:41AM (#25834498)
So one can just tell them to f--- off and go away?
Re:TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England by mnw21cam on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @10:53AM (#25834648)
Yes, you can. Please do. It would be a net benefit to humanity if everyone did that. Capita only use the bullying tactics because they think that it will get them an increased return. However, they are technically nothing more than very pushy sales agents trying to sell you something. If everyone told them to get stuffed, there's an extremely slim chance that they might choose a more pleasant tactic. I wouldn't hold one's breath though.

You can also write to Capita and tell them that they are not welcome on your property, and then they can't even walk up to your front door. If you have a sticker on your front door rejecting cold callers and door-to-door sales, then they are trespassing as soon as they knock. Call the police if they don't leave. I have heard enough stories of Capita agents doing misdeeds once inside that you should not trust them, regardless of how many threats they make. The only circumstances under which you should ever let them in is if they are accompanied by police with a search warrant.

You can also write to them and tell them that you view their threatening letters as harassment, and that they must stop sending them. You don't need to tell them your name - just your address.

Re:TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England by eplanit on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @10:55AM (#25834673)
Good to know, and you're right. Glad to know it's not as dystopian as it sounds.
Re:TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England by vaduz on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @12:13PM (#25835708)
Unless they come with an actual search warrant (which is rare, but can happen [0] as I wrote in a cousin thread, sometimes with the police assist), yes, you can. Capital/TVL have no inherent power to enter your premises unless invited - but you can't just throw them out after inviting them in.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25835140

Re:TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England by afavour on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @11:03AM (#25834766)
“reign in authoritarianism”?!?

It’s not dissimilar to a tax audit. Heaven forbid we could all be a little less hysterical.

Re:TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England by Zelphyr on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @12:19PM (#25835800)
I've been wondering this myself. Related to this; I was wondering the other day why the seemingly sudden rise of people who buy into conspiracy theories like Q-Anon? One possible answer could be that people are feeling like they are "less-than", purposeless, or not wanted. So then my next question was, why is that?

It occurred to me that with the rise of consumerism (apparently skyrocketing starting in the 90's) we've had more and more advertising telling us, "If you just buy this product or service you will [be loved | get more sex | be prettier | get more sex]"

When it was just TV and billboards advertising to you it was bad enough but at least you could look away and/or turn off the TV. With the rise of the Internet there was obviously another increasingly pervasive channel through which advertisers could reach you. But then came the smartphone and now it's like we're carrying a TV with us 24x7, flooding us with messages convincing us we're not good enough. Couple that with ad-supported apps that purposely try to be addictive and we are bombarded even more because we can't just be still anymore. Our constant need to be stimulated has become piggy-backed with messages telling us how inferior we are.