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Re:Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Ru... by SpaceRaccoon on Monday January 18, 2021 @01:46PM (#25825034)
> to Russians

I don't understand why they say "to Russians" or "to the Russians" instead of "to Russian intelligence". It's like being Russian is the crime itself. They wouldn't write "tried to sell the computer to Jews".

Re:Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Ru... by godelski on Monday January 18, 2021 @01:53PM (#25825128)
> They wouldn't write "tried to sell the computer to Jews".

No, because they'd say "tried to sell the computer to Israelis." Jews are a race and Russians/Israelis are citizens of a country.

Re:Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Ru... by type0 on Monday January 18, 2021 @02:50PM (#25825806)
Re:Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Ru... by godelski on Monday January 18, 2021 @03:22PM (#25826154)
Well TIL that there is a Russian ethnicity. But I will add that colloquially no one says that.
Re:Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Ru... by Dma54rhs on Monday January 18, 2021 @07:13PM (#25828381)
It's pretty well known, ignorance is not an excuse really.
Re:Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Ru... by godelski on Monday January 18, 2021 @09:15PM (#25829205)
I'll refer you to my other comment[0]. But no, Russian being an ethnicity is not common knowledge. At least in America.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25828088

Re:Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Ru... by type0 on Monday January 18, 2021 @09:11PM (#25829175)
because ignorance is a bliss
Re:Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Ru... by SpaceRaccoon on Monday January 18, 2021 @03:57PM (#25826544)
Ignorance is not an excuse.

In mainstream American discourse being Russian is a crime.

Re:Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Ru... by godelski on Monday January 18, 2021 @06:38PM (#25828088)
> Ignorance is not an excuse.

Taking it that you aren't trolling (which I'm not certain you aren't) ignorance is an excuse. It is not a good excuse when knowledge is common but it is a great excuse when knowledge is uncommon (as is the case here, at least to Americans). Unless you expect everyone to be omniscient then this is exceedingly disingenuous and will just lead to people thinking you're being a jerk.

The other part I need to add is that this is also how we typically talk. "The British...", "The Irish...", "Americans...", etc. I'll admit that we could have more nuance and better communication by being more specific but what is stated here follows the Cooperative Principle[0][1]. It is implied in all these examples that what is meant is the government of the country and not the people of the country. Typically we'd say interpreting it as the latter would be in bad faith. Not that people don't do this (and that this isn't becoming more common) but that this is how people typically use language.

But if you're trying to just get people to yell at one another and feel angry (i.e. trolling) I'd ask that you please take your comments elsewhere because that's not the environment we are trying to create at Hacker News.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative_principle

[1] https://youtu.be/IJEaMtNN_dM?t=137

Re:Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Ru... by Andrew_nenakhov on Monday January 18, 2021 @01:58PM (#25825182)
We Russians are go-to Hollywood villains because no Russian is ever offended by this portrayal of Russians in media.

Also, we are simply always up to no good. I've been influencing the US presidential elections for a few years, with mixed results.

Re:Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Ru... by ABeeSea on Monday January 18, 2021 @03:28PM (#25826229)
It might be because the country is run by a dictator who is intent on crippling the US’s diplomatic and economic power.
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Re:Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Ru... by ABeeSea on Monday January 18, 2021 @04:24PM (#25826816)
That’s why the Russian government hacked into a vast amount of US computer networks. No ill intentions there.
Re:Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Ru... by SpaceRaccoon on Monday January 18, 2021 @07:04PM (#25828309)
What do you think the NSA and CIA do on a daily basis if not hack computer networks around the world, friends and adversaries alike?
Re:Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Ru... by ABeeSea on Monday January 18, 2021 @07:14PM (#25828386)
I’d say that’s whataboutism and irrelevant to the discussion on whether Russia is an adversary to the US.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Re:Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Ru... by PragmaticPulp on Monday January 18, 2021 @01:53PM (#25825120)
In this case, the accusation is that she literally wanted to sell the laptop to some Russian acquaintances, with the assumption that they would handle the secondary sale to the Russian government.
Re:Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Ru... by mrbungie on Monday January 18, 2021 @01:57PM (#25825167)
Selling a stolen computer device tied to a high-ranking government official to any foreign country is a crime, it's what a spy would do.
Re:Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Ru... by naturalpb on Monday January 18, 2021 @01:57PM (#25825172)
The wonderful comedic film "Burn After Reading" immediately comes to mind.
Re:Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Ru... by coughupalung on Monday January 18, 2021 @02:26PM (#25825491)
Yes! I thought the same thing. Such a great film.
Re:Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Ru... by type0 on Monday January 18, 2021 @02:58PM (#25825890)
> They wouldn't write "tried to sell the computer to Jews".

From the article - “intended to send the computer device to a friend in Russia, who then planned to sell the device to SVR, Russia’s foreign intelligence service" Maybe that friend weren't ethnically russian, no one cares, the point is that it sounds more villainous.

Re:Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Ru... by IgorPartola on Monday January 18, 2021 @02:46PM (#25825747)
Because it's a Reuters headline and they don't use "the" if they don't need to.
Re:Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Ru... by ABeeSea on Monday January 18, 2021 @01:56PM (#25825156)
Probably because your suggested update is incorrect.
Re:Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Ru... by stonogo on Monday January 18, 2021 @01:54PM (#25825132)
Their national affiliation is the salient point, and there's no way in hell she'd successfully make contact directly with a Russian intelligence agent. They work through civilian operatives, so your replacement would be incorrectly specific.

Your example doesn't apply, because "Jews" is an ethnicity and "Russians" is a nationality.

Re:Woman may have tried to sell Pelosi computer device to Ru... by type0 on Monday January 18, 2021 @03:03PM (#25825944)
They're both, heck you can even be a russian jew and a citizen of some other country that is not Russia. The English doesn't make a difference. Here's one kind of Russian peoples that are not ethnically russians but the majority are citizens of Russia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatars