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Re:Apple's MacBook revival plan: Bring back old features by javajosh on Sunday January 17, 2021 @10:25AM (#25811394)
Yes, a terrible idea, like putting a motor on a sailboat! I mean, why would you ever need 2 methods of propulsion?! (Some boaters even bring oars and towline! Insane!)
Re:Apple's MacBook revival plan: Bring back old features by ajmadesc on Sunday January 17, 2021 @10:39AM (#25811526)
A bad attitude and a bad analogy. A second charging port is redundancy, a second motor is auxiliary.

Don't start about multiple usb ports because those are also auxiliary in purpose

Edit: Not making a judgement as to if a second charging point is a good idea or not. I don't care, why not.

Re:Apple's MacBook revival plan: Bring back old features by ApolloRising on Sunday January 17, 2021 @08:43PM (#25817292)
You obviously don't sail. You need a motor on a sailboat to either fight a strong tide to dock, to escape an incoming storm if the wind is pushing you towards a storm. Many other uses such as regenerating the batteries so you have your food not spoil. Sails/masts/rigging also fail so you need a backup to get you to port in an emergency.
Re:Apple's MacBook revival plan: Bring back old features by javajosh on Monday January 18, 2021 @10:17AM (#25822547)
The true statement is that either I don't sail OR sarcasm is sometimes hard to pick up on the internet. I grew up cruising on my dad's sailboats, raced dinghies in college, and have owned a variety of sailboats myself, the last being a humble 35' Erikson. So, I would say it's the later.
Re:Apple's MacBook revival plan: Bring back old features by ApolloRising on Monday January 18, 2021 @07:48PM (#25828649)
Awesome a fellow salt. Sarcasm was definitely hard to pickup but glad you had so much fun on the boats. I picked it up later in life and would have been so nice to have done that as a kid.
Re:Apple's MacBook revival plan: Bring back old features by chris_wot on Sunday January 17, 2021 @10:33AM (#25811473)
That analogy is silly. Two methods of propulsion is a good idea - when the wind is not blowing then use the engine. If the engine runs out of petroleum use the engine.

Having a proprietary power interface and a USB C interface that does the same thing is ridiculous.

Re:Apple's MacBook revival plan: Bring back old features by Retric on Sunday January 17, 2021 @10:44AM (#25811588)
USB-C can’t charge nearly as quickly as a high power proprietary charger. In use USB-C needs to supply power for both charging and operating the laptop, so what might take 3 hours to charge with USB-C might take 20 minutes to charge with a dedicated connector.

That’s not to say every laptop’s proprietary charger will supply noticeably more than 100W, but many examples exist.

Re:Apple's MacBook revival plan: Bring back old features by oblio on Sunday January 17, 2021 @11:05AM (#25811792)
I'd be surprised if a 13" Surface doesn't charge well enough at 100W, though.
Re:Apple's MacBook revival plan: Bring back old features by Retric on Sunday January 17, 2021 @12:39PM (#25812805)
13” Surface laptops had up to 90Wh of battery. Batteries get hot when charging due to inefficiency, meaning it takes more than 90Wh to charge a 90Wh battery. Subtract the power demand while in use and your well over an hour to fully charge.

By comparison a quick charge to 80% in under 20 minutes while under full load should be possible assuming sufficient cooling and power. That’s not a huge deal most of the time, but it’s still plenty useful if your sharing a single outlet etc.

Re:Apple's MacBook revival plan: Bring back old features by fastball on Sunday January 17, 2021 @05:37PM (#25815948)
I’m sorry, what laptop charger has a brick that’s over 100W?
Re:Apple's MacBook revival plan: Bring back old features by Retric on Sunday January 17, 2021 @05:51PM (#25816072)
Here’s a 230W example: https://www.amazon.com/Charger-Adapter-GTX1070-RTX2070-RTX20...

Their still common with gaming laptops like Razor 15’s. It’s ancient at this point, but a friend used to have a dual GPU laptop that used 2 different AC adapters at the same time.

Re:Apple's MacBook revival plan: Bring back old features by oblio on Sunday January 17, 2021 @05:46PM (#25816031)
There are some. Thinkpads can go to 135 and if I recall correctly, maybe even 170W.

The bricks weigh as much as an ultrabook, though :-D