That’s helpful, thanks.

So they’re 4mil in the hole? How is it possible that they’re still running?

They have $100 mn in donation from Acton

That wasn't a donation, it was a loan.

(A zero-interest 50-year loan, not a bona fide "I want my money back" loan.)

A fifty-year, interest-free loan is functionally a donation, IMO

You're not allowed to mention that, we have to pretend it's a charity.

Weird that it isn't listed in the data in that document.

I have no idea why anyone would donate $20 when they're sipping on $100m ...

$100 million given current growth wont last as long. Telegram 4 years had a run rate of $1 million per month for servers and dev costs. At that time they had about 200 million users.

Signal is using AWS & GCP ( for cloud fronting ), they could be approaching that spend level.

> $100 million given current growth wont last as long.

That is 100% their problem, though. I trust that they will develop a sustainable business model when it becomes necessary. Otherwise, look at their tax info shared above. Sporadic donations won't even make a small dent.

I mean, shoot, they won't even give us a hint at how much to donate to cover our own costs. That would be a start.

WhatsApp used to charge $1/ yr at 200 million users, which kept them well funded. A $1 donated by just the Android users at 50 million + would be $50 million per year.

TBF they havent had to think about this too much before the last 5 days, so give them some time to come up with a plan.

In the mean throw them whatever you are comfortable with.

I just get stuck in an infinite cloudflare loop :(