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Re:Testosterone levels show steady decrease among young US men by surge on Thursday January 14, 2021 @02:45PM (#25781392)
I don't think drunken bar fights was ever socially acceptable anywhere but the lowest of social strata. I'd blame lifestyle changes and BPA far before I thought exercising normal "gentlemanly" restraint caused T to dip. Also, your theory doesn't explain the anomaly of all the large muscular men who you can tell by physical appearance have high T and who are very kind and not aggressive. Bar fights have a lot more to do with environmental factors that influence behavior, like how they were raised, the same socioeconomic factors that contribute to violent crime, etc.
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Re:Testosterone levels show steady decrease among young US men by jolmg on Thursday January 14, 2021 @02:55PM (#25781580)
> doesn't explain the anomaly of all the large muscular men who you can tell by physical appearance have high T and who are very kind and not aggressive.

I don't know the numbers, but that would mean that high T does not cause aggression, not that aggression does not cause high T.

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Re:Testosterone levels show steady decrease among young US men by Gibbon1 on Thursday January 14, 2021 @03:08PM (#25781773)
Bodybuilders think high estrogen levels cause roid rage. Might be lies they tell themselves, might be a valid observation.

On the other hand normal levels testosterone supposedly saturate receptors. Big exception is muscles.

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Re:Testosterone levels show steady decrease among young US men by Delk on Thursday January 14, 2021 @05:13PM (#25783462)
> Also, your theory doesn't explain the anomaly of all the large muscular men who you can tell by physical appearance have high T and who are very kind and not aggressive.

I don't think higher levels of testosterone have been reliably linked to aggressive behaviour except in case of anabolic steroid abuse. Those kind people might well have high levels of testosterone.

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Re:Testosterone levels show steady decrease among young US men by cat199 on Thursday January 14, 2021 @04:03PM (#25782483)
> I don't think drunken bar fights was ever socially acceptable anywhere but the lowest of social strata.

Not how it fits in the discussion, but I'd put duelling in the same category, and this was clearly acceptable among elites when it was acceptable overall

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Re:Testosterone levels show steady decrease among young US men by irrational on Thursday January 14, 2021 @04:10PM (#25782587)
Is it really similar? Duels would be scheduled in advanced. There would be rules to be followed. I don't think I ever read about a duel involving fisticuffs. I suppose you could be saying that a duel is the posh version of a drunken bar fight, but that's like saying that a moderated debate is the posh version of a profanity filled screaming match in a bar parking lot.
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Re:Testosterone levels show steady decrease among young US men by nradov on Thursday January 14, 2021 @10:18PM (#25786585)
Even when dueling was considered acceptable upper-class behavior, most men never fought a duel. It was a drastic, last-resort kind of affair. And even when duels did occur, the duelists sometimes just went through the motions for honor's sake rather than shooting to kill.
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