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Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by jogu on Thursday January 14, 2021 @01:55PM (#25780532)
> Japan's rent-a-family industry was completely fake

That's really not what that article is claiming. It's claiming that a particular individual has lied about the industry and made it seem stranger than it actually is and the western media has sensationalized that even further.

There absolutely are rental services for boyfriends, girlfriends, mothers, fathers, etc. in Japan, they're just not as bizarre as some of these articles would lead you to believe.

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by Blikkentrekker on Thursday January 14, 2021 @02:33PM (#25781179)
Girlfriend experience-escorts are also not that uncommon outside of Japan.

Bars where one buys a good conversation along with the meal, cafés where the waiters roleplay as one's doting sibling, renting a parent, used underwear from vending machines, maid cafés, maid cafés where the maids are all cross-dressing males, cafés where the attractive male waiters make out with each other for the viewing pleasure of the customer base, cafés where the attractive female waiters wear no underwear, short skirts, and the floors are mirrored — well, that's the joie de vivre that has a big “only in Japan” sticker on it.

The second place with distance is the U.S.A. that at least has cafés where the attractive female waiters wear skimpy outfits, cheerleaders, and bikini car wash — but the rest of the world that has nothing that comes close to this well-inspired madness.

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by el_dev_hell on Thursday January 14, 2021 @06:07PM (#25784260)
> but the rest of the world that has nothing that comes close to this well-inspired madness.

I raise you the slightly hidden world of "tits on toast" from Australia. In regional cities/towns, you can go to certain local pubs early in the day (10AM - 12PM) and get a cheap breakfast served by topless waitresses.

If the waitresses get enough tips, they allegedly remove everything.

The breakfast is usually terrible (cold canned beans on toast with an egg).

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by BelenusMordred on Friday January 15, 2021 @06:54AM (#25789811)
> In regional cities/towns

In certain areas yeah, but painting all the regions with that brush is strange. Most of the country couldn't handle anything of the sort and the place would be raided by the police in a day. Despite how many pretend play it up to be, Australia is an incredibly conservative country.

The stuff you'll find in mining towns is far worse and basically the wild west. Barstaff will pour you out a beer using their bare asscheeks for a tip. Always wondered what the health authorities think of that.

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by eplanit on Thursday January 14, 2021 @07:09PM (#25785021)
In Fort Lauderdale, Florida (of course), there was a place named "R Donuts" with topless waitresses.[1]

[1] https://www.upi.com/Archives/1985/11/27/Topless-doughnut-sho...

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by nickik on Thursday January 14, 2021 @10:20PM (#25786601)
> Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!

Spends considerable time in a topless pancake restaurant if I remember correctly.

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by glandium on Thursday January 14, 2021 @04:15PM (#25782670)
Note: for many of the "weird" things you list, there's _one_ place doing it, not several, like the use of plural may suggest (AFAIK).
Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by Blikkentrekker on Thursday January 14, 2021 @04:19PM (#25782728)
Such as which example?

I have knowledge of the existence of multiple in almost all of what I listed.

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by glandium on Thursday January 14, 2021 @04:38PM (#25782975)
Used underwear vending machine, last I heard, there's only one. Yaoi cafe, AFAIK, there's only one. And I would be surprised if there's more than one cafe with the glass floor and no underwear.
Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by Blikkentrekker on Thursday January 14, 2021 @04:55PM (#25783219)
Well, you seem to be wrong about all three:

https://livejapan.com/en/in-tokyo/in-pref-tokyo/in-ikebukuro...

This article reviews three different boy's love cafés, in close proximity to one another.

I'm not sure how derive the conclusion that there is only one used underwear vending machine; a simple image search reveals many different models:

https://www.techinasia.com/japan-used-panty-vending-machines...

This article concludes that the most extreme stories about one at every corner are an exaggeration, but one can definitely find them.

As for the cafés without underwear: there is definitely more than one, though they've been on a decline.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-pan_kissa

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by glandium on Thursday January 14, 2021 @05:12PM (#25783451)
> https://livejapan.com/en/in-tokyo/in-pref-tokyo/in-ikebukuro...

Of the 3, only the first one is overtly Yaoi. I don't know the second one, but it doesn't seem like one, and the Butler cafe is definitely not Yaoi.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-pan_kissa

After the boom in the 80s (30+ years ago), are there really any left, with the glass floor and everything?

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by rootsudo on Thursday January 14, 2021 @06:03PM (#25784199)
You also need to understand a bit of Japan. Ikebukuro is the womens/girls Akiba. So it's really normal to see the oppoiste of Akiba there. There are countless cafes there that cater to females, where in Akiba it is male.

And akiba is short for akihabara.

The underwear vending machine are out, and hidden now, mostly Akiba from what I hear on whispers, not in public. Maybe even one in Nakano broaddway...

And Kissa's in general are in decline, not just no pantsu kissas.

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by labster on Thursday January 14, 2021 @07:52PM (#25785438)
Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by lmm on Thursday January 14, 2021 @11:49PM (#25787129)
Can you name a single no-panty cafe that's actually operating then?
Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by michaelpb on Thursday January 14, 2021 @04:00PM (#25782424)
That's not true. Cafes that cater to lonely straight men or misogynistic businessmen exist worldwide.

Just one example: All the different "café con piernas" cafes in Chile, which are very similar to Japanese maid cafes.

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by Blikkentrekker on Thursday January 14, 2021 @04:18PM (#25782720)
How is that similar to maid cafés, let alone cafés where the waiters act as if they be one's doting sibling?

You seem to have reduced my rather wild and spectacular examples to something so mundane as: “Cafes that cater to lonely straight men or misogynistic businessmen exist”, especially when most of my examples have nothing to do with “straight men” or “misogynistic businessmen”.

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by michaelpb on Friday January 15, 2021 @05:21PM (#25797319)
I don't know if there exists a cafe with a "sibling theme", but café con piernas is pretty similar in the other respects. There are a variety of different establishments where clientele are served coffee and pastries by women in revealing outfits, ranging from traditional outfits in short-skirts, to much more revealing costumes (often with partial nudity). All I was saying is that businesses that follow the model of "cafe, but also sex work" are world-wide, not just Japan and the US.
Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by exclusiv on Thursday January 14, 2021 @03:52PM (#25782310)
Separately, I've heard personal reports and seen a documentary about young Japanese men in general.

It was said that their mothers do everything for them and for a much longer time than other countries. Is this true?

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by pezezin on Thursday January 14, 2021 @07:13PM (#25785070)
Disclaimer: I have been living in Japan for two years, but I'm nowhere an expert in their culture.

Some of my female coworkers have confirmed this to be true. They say younger guys have problems finding a girlfriend, because they expect her to take care of him the same way his mother did, and younger Japanese women don't want to put up with that kind of attitude anymore.

Regarding social development, my feeling is that Japan is one or two generations behind Western countries.

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by 1propionyl on Thursday January 14, 2021 @10:04PM (#25786496)
> They say younger guys have problems finding a girlfriend, because they expect her to take care of him the same way his mother did, and younger Japanese women don't want to put up with that kind of attitude anymore.

This is rampantly common in (esp. Southern) Europe as well. The stereotype of the Italian or Greek "mama's boy" who can't do anything around the house and expects their SO to be their surrogate mother is very real.

I really don't think you should be using this as evidence to paint Japan as developmentally retarded as compared to "Western" countries. Respectfully, it comes off as parochial if I'm being charitable, or as working backwards from a desired conclusion if I'm not.

Moreover, this is a trend that crops up all around the world, not just in Japan or Europe. There are plenty of people like this in the US as well. I've met several grown men with well paying jobs who eat out for every meal and have their mothers do their laundry every weekend.

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by pezezin on Friday January 15, 2021 @01:33AM (#25787702)
I don't know about Italy or Greece, but I was born and raised in Spain, which I guess is quite similar. Yes, young guys (and girls) who are used to their parents providing them everything and who don't even know how to cook an omelette or wash their clothes exist, but they are heavily looked down upon.

When I say Japan looks to me to be one or two generations behind, is because some of the things I see or hear here are the kind of situations my parents or grandparents got to experience when they were young. Not only what we already discussed, look also at the situation of women in the workplace, or LGBT rights.

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by viraptor on Thursday January 14, 2021 @08:37PM (#25785810)
Also not an expert, but it seems to exist in culture overall. You can see reflection in movies, (where it's not the main topic) for example in "Tokyo Family" (2013) you'll see that when his wife dies, an older, physically capable man starts getting his cooked meals provided by neighbours like it's obvious that happens now.
Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by Blikkentrekker on Friday January 15, 2021 @11:28AM (#25792610)
> Regarding social development, my feeling is that Japan is one or two generations behind Western countries.

There are a great many “western” countries where this is even worse than Japan including the one so often named the primordial “western” country.

I have no idea idea why so often when Japanese culture specifically is discussed the idea is sooner or later proffered that there is some homogeneous “western” culture with common elements that supposedly exists. It certainly doesn't seem to rise when, say, Russian, or Indian culture is discussed.

Re:'Rent-a-person who does nothing' in Tokyo receives endles... by shagie on Thursday January 14, 2021 @05:43PM (#25783910)
The word you are looking at is "amae" ... along with a large amount of material about it (and how it is interpreted and how it is misinterpreted).

The classic book on the subject is "The Anatomy of Dependence" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Anatomy_of_Dependence

The gist of this is that the parent-child relationship is the ideal one and that extends into the relationships in a collectivist society including that of a manager to an employee.

And so the doting mother to her child... extends a bit longer. The doting mother part isn't new - but rather that that relationship is seen as the ideal one... gets into cultural comparisons.

... but that's the word that can set you on the search for understanding of that phenomena.