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Re:Apple reportedly dropped plan for encrypting backups afte... by amiga-workbench on Thursday January 14, 2021 @11:17AM (#25778150)
Users don't read, they smash Ok buttons without understanding.
Re:Apple reportedly dropped plan for encrypting backups afte... by Nextgrid on Thursday January 14, 2021 @11:27AM (#25778277)
In this case, should we also ban power tools and heavy machinery because some idiots aren't careful and get hurt?
Re:Apple reportedly dropped plan for encrypting backups afte... by gruez on Thursday January 14, 2021 @12:56PM (#25779620)
The analogy isn't helpful because you're actively aware of the dangerous machine when you're close to it, whereas losing a password is something you unintentionally do because you forgot about it 6 months after setting it up. A better analogy would be ammonia refrigerators that occasionally leaked and killed people in their sleep, which are banned.
Re:Apple reportedly dropped plan for encrypting backups afte... by rootusrootus on Thursday January 14, 2021 @11:56AM (#25778745)
This seems uncharitable. Most people can intuitively understand the danger of a table saw. Just the sound alone sends a shiver up your spine even if you aren't a woodworking expert.

But we've conditioned users to accept a million dialog boxes to confirm random choices that are mostly inconsequential CYA.

Re:Apple reportedly dropped plan for encrypting backups afte... by mattnewton on Thursday January 14, 2021 @11:38AM (#25778440)
No, but it’s perfectly fine for a company to not want to be in the table/chain saw industry if they have a brand identity around “just works.”

It’s unfortunate because apple has the cash and panache to take it mainstream, but they probably don’t have any market incentive to do so, at least until someone else figures out the ux that doesn’t cut clueless user fingers off.

Re:Apple reportedly dropped plan for encrypting backups afte... by mywittyname on Thursday January 14, 2021 @11:34AM (#25778389)
Make it difficult to find unless the person is actively looking for it.
Re:Apple reportedly dropped plan for encrypting backups afte... by mattnewton on Thursday January 14, 2021 @11:44AM (#25778543)
Apple’s ultimate goal is to sell iPhones, not solve privacy unfortunately. Why would they invest in a feature they actively hide and discourage users from using? They can’t put it in the keynote as a feature to buy an iPhone, and then hide it from all the users they just advertised to.
Re:Apple reportedly dropped plan for encrypting backups afte... by gsich on Thursday January 14, 2021 @12:10PM (#25778988)
So you ask them multiple times. You remind them via mail every n months. I repeat this is solvable. If people chose willingly ignore multiple warnings, then it's their fault.

Don't assume your users are immature just because they use a computer. This assumption is only with computers, I don't know why.

Re:Apple reportedly dropped plan for encrypting backups afte... by Brian_K_White on Friday January 15, 2021 @03:17AM (#25788287)
I like this "There are things you can do".

If the easy/simple first idea after giving it zero seconds of thought isn't good enough, the possibility actually exists to give it more than zero seconds of thought and try more than one thing.

It's also possible that the simple warning does work just fine, after it's ubiquitous for a while.

Everything about a computer was baffling originally, and now grandma scans documents to create pdfs and attaches them to emails. She's still grandma, she stil is baffled by many things, but there is a whole pretty big body of good understanding that she DOES have, just like she knows how to operate many other parts of her life.

The irreversable nature of protected data could perfectly well become one of these things that everyone knows.

All it probably requires is simply being a feature of ordinary life for some amount of time.

And maybe a little more standardization around terminology and ui so that people can tell when they are dealing with a secure thing vs an ordinary thing.

Re:Apple reportedly dropped plan for encrypting backups afte... by kgwgk on Thursday January 14, 2021 @11:27AM (#25778264)
Make them sign several clauses on a contract and send back a scanned copy. Really, if they still go through it without understanding what they are doing it will be on them.
Re:Apple reportedly dropped plan for encrypting backups afte... by mattnewton on Thursday January 14, 2021 @11:30AM (#25778316)
Signed copies protect you from litigation in court, not loss of brand value in the court of public opinion. Plenty of people bitten by it will just never use a backup product from you again, and every time apple sneezes a flurry of journalists are there to document it.
Re:Apple reportedly dropped plan for encrypting backups afte... by UnFleshedOne on Thursday January 14, 2021 @11:56AM (#25778748)
I guess the idea here is to make enabling the option enough of a pain so that only people who need it are going to use it, and button smashers will be spared.