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Re:What Makes Finnish Kids So Smart? by martythemaniak on Saturday July 26, 2008 @02:00PM (#257658)
Jesus, as if there weren't enough populist demagogues blaming every problem on immigrants already, now we have to put up with you here on HN.

http://www.siteselection.com/ssinsider/snapshot/sf011210.htm

Have a look at the rankings at the bottom, and then explain why Canada, with about 3-4 times more immigration per capita, outscores the US.

Re:What Makes Finnish Kids So Smart? by aswanson on Saturday July 26, 2008 @02:22PM (#257671)
Don't bait him. His SEO technique is to spam more popular blogs/forums with links back to his, and to get into these types of arguments, producing more link opportunities for him. Worse, we may get more of his constituency moving in. (There goes the neighborhood).

The best method to protect the site from being inundated with more stuff like this is to try to stay as hacker-focused as possible, perhaps relegating the race/gender/IQ trifecta to the same status as religion and political discussion, or to accept the likely degradation in discussion.

Re:What Makes Finnish Kids So Smart? by Alex3917 on Saturday July 26, 2008 @03:13PM (#257711)
"Worse, we may get more of his constituency moving in. (There goes the neighborhood)."

We should do everything we can to keep out these immigrants.

Re:What Makes Finnish Kids So Smart? by gruseom on Saturday July 26, 2008 @03:12PM (#257709)
The best method to protect the site from being inundated with more stuff like this...

You may be right. It may not (yet) be possible to have a sincere public discussion that isn't drowned out by PC ideologues on one side and racists and xenophobes on the other. It's not always easy to tell who's who, either: sometimes uttering "what you can't say" is an act of courage, sometimes it just means you're an asshole. Intentions and emotions are part of this, and they're harder to read outside the personal sphere.

Re:What Makes Finnish Kids So Smart? by Hexstream on Saturday July 26, 2008 @02:45PM (#257690)
I'm assuming if your comment has negative karma its links are necessarily nofollowed?

edit: Then the strategy aswanson alleges occam is pursuing is totally misguided. Maybe a little note on the bottom of the comment box that all links are nofollowed would prevent any further such attempts.

Re:What Makes Finnish Kids So Smart? by pg on Saturday July 26, 2008 @02:52PM (#257696)
All links in comments are nofollowed.
Re:What Makes Finnish Kids So Smart? by rms on Saturday July 26, 2008 @08:04PM (#257873)
Nofollowing isn't enough to stop determined SEOs with lots of time on their hands. A nofollow link is still decidedly better than no link at all, because it gets a couple of clicks of traffic and maybe, maybe will be picked up by someone else as a follow link.
Re:What Makes Finnish Kids So Smart? by aswanson on Saturday July 26, 2008 @07:38PM (#257858)
...would prevent any further such attempts.

Presuming he is smart enough to understand the implications.

Re:What Makes Finnish Kids So Smart? by rms on Saturday July 26, 2008 @08:02PM (#257871)
>perhaps relegating the race/gender/IQ trifecta to the same status as religion and political discussion, or to accept the likely degradation in discussion.

I'd prefer to accept the degradation. "X racial subgroup is better/worse in some way than y racial subgroup" is one of the unnamed Things You Can't Say and I see no need to censor it here, even if the discussion makes me uncomfortable.

Re:What Makes Finnish Kids So Smart? by aswanson on Saturday July 26, 2008 @08:12PM (#257877)
Right, sweeping it under the table is never a good idea, but I don't know what else can be said about it that hasn't been beaten to all hell and back here and everywhere else. It's not like opinions are going to change, and I, for one, get nothing out of it.

It is informative to know how other people think about these things, so you have a point. I do worry, though, about what type of people will be attracted here by this type of meme.

Re:What Makes Finnish Kids So Smart? by occam on Sunday July 27, 2008 @12:12AM (#258016)
Surely there is a technological solution to this. Perhaps a thought purifier?
Re:What Makes Finnish Kids So Smart? by daniel-cussen on Sunday July 27, 2008 @05:11PM (#258415)
I don't see how this is SEO. Secondly, I disagree that race, gender and IQ should be banned from discussion along with religion and politics. Ban trolls, not subjects.
Re:What Makes Finnish Kids So Smart? by mynameishere on Saturday July 26, 2008 @03:01PM (#257701)
Canada has extremely rigorous requirements for immigrants.
Re:What Makes Finnish Kids So Smart? by gruseom on Saturday July 26, 2008 @03:21PM (#257713)
"Canada" and "extremely" in the same phrase? An oxymoron!

Edit: I almost didn't post this because people are being so sensitive today. But you're a tough guy. :)

Re:What Makes Finnish Kids So Smart? by cypress-hill on Sunday July 27, 2008 @01:01AM (#258037)
canada's immigrants tend to be more educated. this isn't much of a stretch, the people crossing the border at arizona in 110 degree heat tend to be some of the most disadvantaged from their own society