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Re:Dropbox to cut 11% of its global workforce by tw04 on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @11:33AM (#25764279)
I disagree, mega-corps aren't the problem. As Steve Jobs famously said: they're a feature, not a product.

Even if you eliminate Microsoft, Google, AND Amazon from the discussion, the list of alternatives is endless.

Synology and QNAP both have a "free" sync and share client. WD, Seagate, Samsung, Apple, not to mention the open-source options out there. Do the big 3 put MORE pressure on Dropbox, sure. But they never pivoted. Just look at a company like Druva - we used them forever ago as a file sync and share, and now they look very, very different.

Dropbox's problem isn't mega-corps or "big tech getting too big", it's that they didn't or couldn't innovate beyond their core product.

Re:Dropbox to cut 11% of its global workforce by busterarm on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @11:59AM (#25764755)
> I disagree, mega-corps aren't the problem. As Steve Jobs famously said: they're a feature, not a product.

I almost kneejerk downvoted out of disagreement. Mega-corps are _a_ problem, but not the problem here, which you astutely pointed out.

Dropbox didn't/couldn't innovate beyond their core product is clearly the issue here.

Additionally, most of what I find that companies use Dropbox for equates to Shadow IT. Something that mature corporations ruthlessly eliminate.

Re:Dropbox to cut 11% of its global workforce by brundolf on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @12:07PM (#25764889)
The thing is that I (and many people) still want exactly the core product that Dropbox offers (and does better than anyone else), even if that's a smaller market than it was ten years ago. It makes sense that businesses would want to get all of their IT solutions from a single integrated company for simplicity's sake, and it makes sense that consumers don't mess with actual files as much as they used to. But for my own purposes I actually wish Dropbox would stop trying to move beyond their core product. And even though the market of people like me has shrunk, I don't think it will ever go away completely.
Re:Dropbox to cut 11% of its global workforce by busterarm on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @12:13PM (#25765000)
Perhaps your storage needs are low, but I feel like at this point once you're past 4-5TB, a Synology or QNAP NAS is a no-brainer for anyone even remotely technical.

I need quite a lot of storage for my projects and am up to a 42TB Enterprise NAS at home w/ Fujitsu helium-filled drives. Probably more than Dropbox customers would ever want to spend, but well worth it for me. Even if I didn't need as much storage, I'm pretty sure I would use the same product.

Access from all of my devices is easy as they're all on one VPN, including my phones.

Re:Dropbox to cut 11% of its global workforce by brundolf on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @12:33PM (#25765291)
I only use about 70GB right now; 2TB is as much as I could imagine ever needing.

That 70GB includes a modest collection of music from before the streaming era, a few videos, backups of old documents, Blender projects, Unity projects, a backup of all my photos from my phone (from the past few years), a couple archives of family photos (from the past few decades). I also back up product licenses and shell profiles there, for easy setup of new machines (which I highly recommend). The only important files that don't go in my Dropbox are my actual code projects, since those live on GitHub.

I use a whole lot more space than that when it comes to software, of course - Steam games, in particular - but there's no reason to put any of that on Dropbox because it can be trivially re-downloaded. I have 4TB of disk space on my desktop, but nearly everything outside of that 70GB is a glorified cache.

I honestly can't fathom how I would utilize 42TB of backed-up data storage, unless I decided to start torrenting. And anyway, a local NAS won't do me much good if the house burns down or gets broken-into. A cloud storage solution that presumably gets replicated across multiple data centers, and also mirrors local copies on all of my devices, is the most durable data storage solution I can imagine.

Re:Dropbox to cut 11% of its global workforce by busterarm on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @02:05PM (#25766552)
My local NAS includes replication to cloud storage and is encrypted so not super useful if stolen.

I prefer having access from my devices without the replication.

Re:Dropbox to cut 11% of its global workforce by brundolf on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @02:09PM (#25766615)
Fair. I'm still curious how you use that much space?
Re:Dropbox to cut 11% of its global workforce by busterarm on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @02:21PM (#25766748)
I create a lot of media and shoot raw.

I do back up my Steam library, btw, because occasionally they remove games. That folder is at about 4TB.

Re:Dropbox to cut 11% of its global workforce by syshum on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @06:30PM (#25769488)
Linux ISO's Of course....

//inside joke if you dont know.... Data Hoarders only every have Linux ISO's....

Re:Dropbox to cut 11% of its global workforce by emptyparadise on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @11:52AM (#25764623)
Why can't a good feature survive on the market?
Re:Dropbox to cut 11% of its global workforce by dharmab on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @02:16PM (#25766695)
One reason is that there's friction with purchasing. If a company already buys Active Directory and O365, it's much easier to get OneDrive added on than it is to set up a new vendor like Dropbox.
Re:Dropbox to cut 11% of its global workforce by snarkypixel on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @02:19PM (#25766725)
Because it can be copied and doesn't have a defendable business model.

For most people, consolidating many services into one is just more convenient, even if it means using a "good-enough" version of that feature.

Re:Dropbox to cut 11% of its global workforce by onepointsixC on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @05:48PM (#25769071)
How is that meaningfully different than a product which can be copied?
Re:Dropbox to cut 11% of its global workforce by alecbz on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @02:51PM (#25767108)
I think features are often products for other companies, not for end-users.

E.g., digital displays are a "feature, not a product". End-users get value out of digital displays on their thermostats, microwaves, etc., but no end-user buys a digital display themselves, thermostat and microwave manufactures buy them.

I think the problem with Dropbox is that it's become too easy for product companies to build data syncing themselves.