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Re:My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network by lvspiff on Monday January 11, 2021 @12:05PM (#25731878)
Essentially people want a free social network that doesn't use its users data for mining and advertising, doesn't track user data, doesn't archive their messages if they delete them/their account/they die, and free from moderation. Is that really too much to ask for?

The answer is yes - yes it is too much to ask for - you don't get a free service without paying for it in some other way - mostly these days through the data mining/advertising side of things. If there's no way to turn a profit then why would someone pay for it to be setup?

Re:My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network by pydry on Monday January 11, 2021 @12:11PM (#25731975)
I'd rather host this and most other internet services on a box in my house, next to my router. Or, it could be my router. Either way.

It's just really annoying to do that right now and the solutions that attempt to make it easy and slick aren't quite there.

This type of thing could be made more popular with normal people if it's easy enough since popular features which "break" the business models of companies like Facebook become popular (e.g. filtering of news feed that under the users direct control or lossless storage of photos).

I think most people would be happier owning the hardware than renting an online service.

Re:My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network by shipstain on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @01:23PM (#25751105)
Opera browser had a feature at one point where you could basically have it as a server and browser. And if we all had transparent addressing on the network you could do that. I have the ability to host at home, but I'm not too keen about having my personal address on the Internet. I know that's an oxymoron, but I'd rather have someone attacking a cloud node than my personal network. And I still value my anonymity in places.
Re:My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network by adrianpike on Monday January 11, 2021 @12:14PM (#25732034)
Is that not just a blog?
Re:My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network by cyberdelica on Monday January 11, 2021 @02:17PM (#25734639)
Before people abused the term "social network" to include all manner of things, including forums such as Reddit and Hacker News, using Twitter was referred to as "micro blogging".
Re:My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network by musingsole on Monday January 11, 2021 @12:14PM (#25732035)
> If there's no way to turn a profit then why would someone pay for it to be setup?

I hear your argument. No VC-funded start-up is likely to make moves in this space. But your question ignores a whole sector of the economy: non-profits. I believe there even have been some non-profit social network attempts (perhaps even still active), though I can't recall their names.

Re:My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network by iib on Monday January 11, 2021 @12:19PM (#25732142)
I think this attempt by Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales (but unrelated to Wikipedia itself) comes close [1].

Honestly, if it manages to approximately implement the community approach that works under Wikimedia itself, it may well become the most non-toxic social network, as they self-advertise it.

https://wt.social/ [1]

Re:My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network by Naac on Monday January 11, 2021 @12:18PM (#25732125)
>> The answer is yes - yes it is too much to ask for

How can that be so when we have websites like Wikipedia, or Openstreemap?

Re:My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network by andrewprock on Monday January 11, 2021 @12:23PM (#25732218)
I'm not sure about Openstreetmap, but Wikipedia has a huge budget. It does get paid for, and the people paying for it definitely consider what it is they are supporting.
Re:My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network by laumars on Monday January 11, 2021 @01:36PM (#25733686)
Quite a lot of people (myself included) do actually pay for Wikipedia.
Re:My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network by user-the-name on Monday January 11, 2021 @02:02PM (#25734334)
> The answer is yes - yes it is too much to ask for

Mastodon exists. It is what you described. It is paid for either by generous individuals or by donations.

Re:My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network by paul_f on Monday January 11, 2021 @02:50PM (#25735337)
"Free from moderation" Isn't that what got Parler in trouble? Is it possible to have an unmoderated social network anymore?
Re:My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network by konjin on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:51PM (#25740733)
I can pay for it by running a local node.

Aether works that way. It is missing the anonymity OP wants but everything else is there.

Re:My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network by wayoutthere on Monday January 11, 2021 @12:14PM (#25732044)
> If there's no way to turn a profit then why would someone pay for it to be setup?

If it is generally useful to society but unprofitable to provide, isn’t that the category of things that the government should fund and operate like a utility?

That said, I don’t think the government should be in the business of running social networks. But at the same time I didn’t think China would get so much more right about the Internet than we have.

Re:My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network by chipsa on Monday January 11, 2021 @01:08PM (#25733074)
Ask Signal.
Re:My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network by lvspiff on Monday January 11, 2021 @01:15PM (#25733189)
Signal is a messaging service not a social network
Re:My personal wishlist for a decentralized social network by chipsa on Monday January 11, 2021 @04:02PM (#25736895)
It is a messaging service, but it's also free, with a non-trivial server requirement, and with no monetization available for the service (neither ads nor subscription).