Re:The Capitol Attack Doesn’t Justify Expanding Surveillance
by odessacubbage on Saturday January 09, 2021 @03:18PM
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because that is literally how you create a trained insurgency.
Re:The Capitol Attack Doesn’t Justify Expanding Surveillance
by rsynnott on Saturday January 09, 2021 @03:25PM
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Many countries have had to prune their police forces of extremists. East Germany, Northern Ireland, South Africa... Generally, the negative consequences of this have been minor and manageable; it's a path already well-trodden.
Re:The Capitol Attack Doesn’t Justify Expanding Surveillance
by ciceryadam on Saturday January 09, 2021 @03:56PM
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Germany in 2019: https://m.dw.com/en/neo-nazi-scandal-hits-german-elite-milit...
Re:The Capitol Attack Doesn’t Justify Expanding Surveillance
by rsynnott on Saturday January 09, 2021 @04:01PM
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That's absolutely a real and serious issue, but it's a separate issue to the dissolution and reform of the East German police during unification, which didn't lead to a communist insurgency.
Re:The Capitol Attack Doesn’t Justify Expanding Surveillance
by ciceryadam on Saturday January 09, 2021 @11:02PM
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I completely agree, 2 separate issues, one was successfully finished, as there are no new Stasi members joining the police ranks - but the other issue is ever present. I think there should be "radicalization" checks for any people in position of power (Police/Military), and if they don't uphold the values of the country anymore, they should be let go from their jobs.
Re:The Capitol Attack Doesn’t Justify Expanding Surveillance
by zbentley on Saturday January 09, 2021 @08:52PM
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Even if that's what would happen (and I don't think it is), an insurgency is better than those people being authorized agents of the state. Better of two bad alternatives, but deradicalization of in-power authorities while they still hold power is an impossibly tall order.
Re:The Capitol Attack Doesn’t Justify Expanding Surveillance
by atlgator on Saturday January 09, 2021 @04:09PM
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Do we know that? Or is it just propaganda to manipulate us? Because it sounds like a conspiracy theory.
Re:The Capitol Attack Doesn’t Justify Expanding Surveillance
by jakelazaroff on Saturday January 09, 2021 @04:31PM
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As for the mass infiltration of law enforcement by far right extremists, both official agencies such as the FBI and independent investigators have produced copious evidence and all reached that conclusion.
As for law enforcement involvement in the terrorist attack on the capitol, there are plenty of videos. Law enforcement agencies around the country have also disclosed that some of their officers were involved, which seems like an odd thing to fabricate.
So yes. We know that.
Why on earth would we not try to detect and remove these people from law enforcement agencies?