I truly, truly do not understand. We know far right extremists have infiltrated law enforcement agencies. We know many people who participated in the terrorist attack on the Capitol were in law enforcement. We know even some of the uniformed officers were fraternizing with and aiding the terrorists. These are facts.

Why on earth would we not try to detect and remove these people from law enforcement agencies?

because that is literally how you create a trained insurgency.

Many countries have had to prune their police forces of extremists. East Germany, Northern Ireland, South Africa... Generally, the negative consequences of this have been minor and manageable; it's a path already well-trodden.

Germany in 2019: https://m.dw.com/en/neo-nazi-scandal-hits-german-elite-milit...

That's absolutely a real and serious issue, but it's a separate issue to the dissolution and reform of the East German police during unification, which didn't lead to a communist insurgency.

I completely agree, 2 separate issues, one was successfully finished, as there are no new Stasi members joining the police ranks - but the other issue is ever present. I think there should be "radicalization" checks for any people in position of power (Police/Military), and if they don't uphold the values of the country anymore, they should be let go from their jobs.

Even if that's what would happen (and I don't think it is), an insurgency is better than those people being authorized agents of the state. Better of two bad alternatives, but deradicalization of in-power authorities while they still hold power is an impossibly tall order.

Do we know that? Or is it just propaganda to manipulate us? Because it sounds like a conspiracy theory.

As for the mass infiltration of law enforcement by far right extremists, both official agencies such as the FBI and independent investigators have produced copious evidence and all reached that conclusion.

As for law enforcement involvement in the terrorist attack on the capitol, there are plenty of videos. Law enforcement agencies around the country have also disclosed that some of their officers were involved, which seems like an odd thing to fabricate.

So yes. We know that.

I'm not at all interested in mob justice (going in either direction). But still, comparing this idea to McCarthyism is sneaking toward Godwin's Law territory.

There's a pretty big gulf between a relatively abstract set of political and economic opinions, and an ideology that views some groups of people as sub-human and inherently criminal, and specifically seeks to disenfranchise them. One can quite reasonably make the case that individuals who hold opinions along those lines are temperamentally incapable of protecting and serving their community. Their whole community.

The Chicago Public Library had a gallery documenting victims of torture by the Chicago Police Department. Plenty of photographs, making it quite clear that it was almost exclusively a thing that White cops did to Black and Latinx citizens. It's hard to see how we as a society can hope to eliminate state-committed atrocities like that if we're not even willing to weed the ideology that produces them out of the paramilitary wings of our local governments.

Are you saying white supremacy is just another political ideology in the marketplace of ideas? Because I don’t believe that. White supremacists must be removed from all law agencies. And they are usually pretty public about their white supremacy on their facebooks.

So you believe that the crowd protesting and at the Capitol were all white supremacists?

Well, the people wearing "6MWE" and other anti-semitic tshirts certainly were.

We were discussing the infiltration of white supremacists in law enforcement. Not sure what your question is getting at in regard to that discussion.

Indeed, I read the GP hastily.

I'm sure if you went and asked them if they were racist, most of them would not claim to be. But, considering that the stated purpose of the protest is founded on the continued belief that the only possible explanation for Trump's election loss was a epic-scale government conspiracy, we're not exactly dealing with a group of people whose beliefs about the state of things are easy to reconcile with reality.

Speaking on a more macro scale, the movement that produced that protest and this insurrection is so transparently rooted in racism, with roots going back at least as far as the Southern Strategy, that we're now to the point that trying to apologize for them is, at the absolute best, an act of petty denialism.

Funny how you suddenly supposedly have sympathy for the victims of McCarthyism while the right is still today calling anyone left of the far right a communist marxist.