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Re:Sriwijaya Air flight SJ182, a Boeing 737, has disappeared... by DaiPlusPlus on Saturday January 09, 2021 @10:00AM (#25700850)
Aircraft are designed to not enter those “certain conditions” by default - I understand the PF needs to override the flight-control-law to intentionally crash the plane, but I don’t think there’s a two-person-rule before that can happen.

Anyway - this is why I’m glad I’m not involved in safety-engineering because supposing that setting sensible defaults that reduce accidents in 99.999% of cases would lead to horrible terrifying deaths in 0.001% of cases (e.g. one-way lockable reinforced cockpit doors) would be too much on my mind.

Re:Sriwijaya Air flight SJ182, a Boeing 737, has disappeared... by asd4232 on Saturday January 09, 2021 @12:16PM (#25702185)
Some more modern aircraft indeed have such protections, but this was an old 737 without any such stuff. Simply pushing the control column fully forward would send the plane into a dive pretty quickly.
Re:Sriwijaya Air flight SJ182, a Boeing 737, has disappeared... by coredog64 on Saturday January 09, 2021 @12:57PM (#25702611)
The controls are mechanically linked. Unless the perpetrator incapacitated the other flier, it’s a test of strength. There’s no method for disconnecting the second set of controls in a 737.
Re:Sriwijaya Air flight SJ182, a Boeing 737, has disappeared... by FeeJai on Saturday January 09, 2021 @01:29PM (#25703007)
That is incorrect. There is a friction clutch between the controls in case there is a mechanical jam the other pilot can at least control half the control surfaces. It needs a significant amount of force to detach, though. It is documented on Egypt Air 990 however that both elevator surfaces turned into opposite directions.
Re:Sriwijaya Air flight SJ182, a Boeing 737, has disappeared... by RolloTom on Saturday January 09, 2021 @03:31PM (#25704404)
Like @FeeJai already wrote, that's incorrect. Look up for Atlas Air Flight 3591 crash, boeing 767. Spatial disorientation, dual imputs on yokes, split elevator. https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/628156-atlas-air-3591-nt...
Re:Sriwijaya Air flight SJ182, a Boeing 737, has disappeared... by vidanay on Saturday January 09, 2021 @03:07PM (#25704171)
I am not disagreeing with you, but I just want to point out the absolutely stunning safety of modern air travel. Using your 99.999% number against the number of FAA flights of 16,405,000[1] per year (that's just US FAA, not global). This would result in 16405 "incidents" per year. Luckily for us, the actual number is far lower than 16405.

[1] https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/by_the_numbers/

Re:Sriwijaya Air flight SJ182, a Boeing 737, has disappeared... by ericbarrett on Saturday January 09, 2021 @10:56AM (#25701370)
Re:Sriwijaya Air flight SJ182, a Boeing 737, has disappeared... by numpad0 on Saturday January 09, 2021 @11:27AM (#25701665)
That was F/O without another pilot present