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Re:Funky Fantasy IV: A Machine-Translated Video Game Experiment by adrianmsmith on Saturday January 09, 2021 @07:13AM (#25699723)
So that those of us who don't speak Japanese can get a feel for what you're saying - what do the original Japanese texts mean (i.e. could you give us a better translation)?
Re:Funky Fantasy IV: A Machine-Translated Video Game Experiment by Timpy on Saturday January 09, 2021 @08:35AM (#25700206)
でしょう roughly means "don't you agree" or "I agree", I didn't play the FF games so I don't have enough context to translate its original meaning here.

手に入る literally translates to "put into hand", but it means "acquire" in the context of opening a chest and finding a potion. Japanese games say "potion put into hand" and English translations say "You received a potion".

全く literally means "truly" or "very" but a lot of the time people use to mean "seriously" in a sarcastic sense. Like, "seriously!?" or "jeeze!". A beginner would think "very" but somebody with experience would know they're just complaining in a way that doesn't elicit* a response.

Re:Funky Fantasy IV: A Machine-Translated Video Game Experiment by shawxe on Saturday January 09, 2021 @10:27AM (#25701074)
re: でしょう, without seeing the original Japanese, my guess is that a more atural English translation for your first example would be "Your brother is supposed to be a man, right? He's supposed to be an adult, right?" or something more along those lines.
Re:Funky Fantasy IV: A Machine-Translated Video Game Experiment by djur on Saturday January 09, 2021 @01:16PM (#25702881)
Mato's translation comparison doesn't cover this line, so I can't easily link to the full context, but this is a young girl (Rydia) scolding an older man (Edward/Gilbert) for being too overcome with grief to take action. In the original US translation, the dialogue is "Crybaby! You are a man! You are a grown-up! You are not the only one who has lost loved ones!" The more literal translation would be "Aren't you a man?" but the meaning is the same.

"Brother" seems to be coming into it because Rydia is addressing Edward as "o-nii-chan". Pretty classic example of something that you couldn't translate accurately without knowing who the characters are.

Re:Funky Fantasy IV: A Machine-Translated Video Game Experiment by Timpy on Saturday January 09, 2021 @02:16PM (#25703555)
"o-nii-chan" is a great example of translation difficulty because it's very natural in Japanese to refer to your older brother as "o-nii-chan" and it sounds like bad exposition writing in English.
Re:Funky Fantasy IV: A Machine-Translated Video Game Experiment by djur on Saturday January 09, 2021 @04:03PM (#25704708)
And in this case it's just being used to address an older but not elderly man, in a way that's totally normal in Japanese but would be utterly bizarre in English.
Re:Funky Fantasy IV: A Machine-Translated Video Game Experiment by alisonkisk on Saturday January 09, 2021 @08:55AM (#25700359)
(elicit, not illicit)
Re:Funky Fantasy IV: A Machine-Translated Video Game Experiment by ekianjo on Saturday January 09, 2021 @01:32PM (#25703047)
でしょう has other meanings in more formal use as well so your answer is incomplete