> This is largely attributed to systemic racism

Citation needed

I didn't say it was 100% because of systemic racism, just largely attributed to systemic racism. If you need a citation for that, just look at BLM movement in 2020.

I mean citation needed from the people attributing this to systemic racism.

I’m willing to believe them, frankly, if there’s any data or responsible analysis to back it up.

There are thousands of sociology and history faculty around the country who study this for a living, publishing hundreds of peer reviewed books on the topic annually in top university presses. The research has been ongoing and clear for decades.

This is a bit like saying "citation needed" for "the mitochondria is the workhorse of the cell". You just sort of gesture broadly at literally an entire field that studies this stuff.

It takes almost no effort to look up some faculty member at your alma mater who studies crime, race, and policing, look up one of their books, and check it out.

One bit of feedback - your response comes off as a little aggressive. Even though I agree with you, I felt a little defensive when I read your comment. Maybe something like "this is pretty well studied, with lots of publications. Here's an overview that I think is particularly good and representative of the consensus. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-statistics-dont-cap..."

This is a good resource. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-statistics-dont-cap...

Nate silver is the laughing stock of that entire community, including many of who repeatedly beat his predictions over and over and over. Anything that clown puts out is a joke.

This is... not true? I listen to some of his podcasts, and he seems to be pretty grounded in his approach. Do you have a specific criticism of his process?

(Also, this article was not written by him. That kind of diminishes your point, unless you argue that all authors on 538 deserve your disdain by association?)

It's literally on his website, and yes it's true (about him, no idea about the other people on his site). There's a lot of drama and such in that entire space, and I've spent many months following it all and listening to many different viewpoints from different people in that space. Each election/primaries cycle it's the same story over and over, Nate silver is cringingly wrong, states the opposite of truth as fact. On the other hand, you have other groups of people/companies who are like an order of magnitude quantifiably/verifiably more accurate, and they all make jokes about his "predictions." Basically he made a baseball algorithm, sold out, and now uses his influence to do what he's paid to do, support an agenda, just like CNN/Fox and other super biased news sources.

Yes I've wanted to say this, that in legal terms systemic racism can't be proven, but I've already kicked the bee hive enough. PS not saying racism isn't real, only that it's not as clear of an issue as everyone acts like it is.

Ask yourself honestly. If BLM or an Islamic American group had done the same thing yesterday. How many deaths would there have been? I'm guessing we'd be counting in percentages not fingers...something like 75% dead, 25% captured/in prison.

For doing the SAME thing in the SAME location.

I know, it's hard to prove, here say, but you know it's true. Snipers would've been out in force. Cops were high fiving and letting these people in. National Guard was told to stand down. Police were taking selfies with confederates holding flags in the People's building.

This was a desecration of democracy and the rule of law in America. Everyone responsible needs at least 20 years in prison. No exceptions. Trying to disrupt our republic should have some consequences, no?

It is not a clear issue, because it involves very subtle but crucial changes in attitudes from authorities to people of different categories.

However, from my understanding, the research all seems to be pretty directionally consistent - minorities in the US receive worse treatment from the justice system. Here's a good overview of why the statistics might be under-reporting the size of the impact: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-statistics-dont-cap...

I see, thanks for explaining.