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Re:Honoring Your Craft – An alternative to the Four Hour Wor... by spoonjim on Friday January 08, 2021 @03:45AM (#25682838)
That work gets money to those developing countries that otherwise wouldn't be there. A person in that country does not have the tools to get the work that the person in the first world country can. They don't even have the tools to maintain that working relationship once set up. The person orchestrating the outsourcing is transferring money from a rich country to a poor country and is essential in doing so. You can say that they should send virtually all of the money they get to that country but it's hard to argue that they're doing something unjust.
Re:Honoring Your Craft – An alternative to the Four Hour Wor... by pietrovismara on Friday January 08, 2021 @05:44AM (#25683391)
But why do you think people in developing countries deserve to be compensated less than others for the same work?

I don't care if their alternative is a worse job, I'm asking why you, citizen of a first world country who lives daily on more than they live on average in a month, should feel ok paying them miserable wages for work that in your country would be paid 10x. Especially when the return you get is exactly the same, as you sell your product in a first world country by first world prices.

Re:Honoring Your Craft – An alternative to the Four Hour Wor... by zajio1am on Friday January 08, 2021 @06:36AM (#25683638)
Why do you think that compensation should have anything to do with 'deserve'? There is no 'deserving' value for work, it is just about balancing demand and supply for work. The only realistic way to raise average wage is to saturate supply of work by providing enough demand.

It is possible to outsource work tho third countries for less money, why everybody does not do that and there are still work in developed countries? Because it has some costs that may or may not be apparent. Therefore if you require to pay the same wage, you discourage anybody to give work to people in developing countries.

Re:Honoring Your Craft – An alternative to the Four Hour Wor... by pietrovismara on Friday January 08, 2021 @07:40AM (#25684047)
Except usually developing countries are "behind" thanks to western exploitation. It is really delusional to think that you're helping them by giving them underpaid work, while you're just really repeating the pattern that caused their poverty.
Re:Honoring Your Craft – An alternative to the Four Hour Wor... by harperlee on Friday January 08, 2021 @11:44AM (#25686521)
But at an individual level, the alternative of not outsourcing is worse for the person that would receive the wage.

At a macro level, I’d also like to point at the China - US outsourcing story, and how it’s going regarding hollowing out of industries, IP and know-how transfer, and plain old money transfer. It’s not going too bad for China for the moment...

Re:Honoring Your Craft – An alternative to the Four Hour Wor... by pietrovismara on Saturday January 09, 2021 @07:54AM (#25699978)
All thanks to China's economic policy. They managed to suck out the wealth of the west for years, something they could do because they were and are in a privileged position. It is not the same for many other developed countries. In fact if you don't consider China, since 1981 we have 1 billion more poor people in the world.
Re:Honoring Your Craft – An alternative to the Four Hour Wor... by harperlee on Saturday January 09, 2021 @08:35AM (#25700208)
They were in the privileged position of earning very little, right? That’s my whole point!
Re:Honoring Your Craft – An alternative to the Four Hour Wor... by pietrovismara on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:55AM (#25728253)
No. Earning very little alone means nothing. Some countries with cheap labor have developed, others have not.
Re:Honoring Your Craft – An alternative to the Four Hour Wor... by loco5niner on Friday January 08, 2021 @06:41PM (#25692399)
> thanks to western exploitation

I can believe the exploitation part. There is certainly corruption everywhere which is often part of the cause.

But citation needed for the western part please.

Re:Honoring Your Craft – An alternative to the Four Hour Wor... by pietrovismara on Saturday January 09, 2021 @08:01AM (#25700018)
Just read any modern history? Of course western is reductive, not only western powers are exploitative. But check what western powers did in Africa for example. Check what they do and did in Latin America. In the middle east and part of Asia too.

What makes us exploitative is the fact that we go in poor countries and buy their best resources/workforce for the cheapest price possible, without caring if the money we pay even goes to benefit the population, (as often it only goes to benefit a few corrupt politicans/corporations). It's exploitation because we don't really help them get out of poverty but rather condemn them to a vicious circle of being dependent from us.

Re:Honoring Your Craft – An alternative to the Four Hour Wor... by vinceguidry on Friday January 08, 2021 @07:31AM (#25683978)
To repeat your point, market economics are the worst, except for every other kind of economics.
Re:Honoring Your Craft – An alternative to the Four Hour Wor... by willcipriano on Friday January 08, 2021 @06:27AM (#25683591)
I've considered the same question myself. The global per capita median income is a little under 3k USD. If you wanted to make global income inequality better you'd probably start by making the west dramatically poorer.
Re:Honoring Your Craft – An alternative to the Four Hour Wor... by pietrovismara on Friday January 08, 2021 @07:37AM (#25684027)
We can start by stopping exploitation of poverty. Pay western rates on everything you buy from poor countries. It's time companies learn to find their competitive edge outside of employee exploitation.
Re:Honoring Your Craft – An alternative to the Four Hour Wor... by loco5niner on Friday January 08, 2021 @06:38PM (#25692317)
If you are so concerned about this you could start sending them 50% of your paycheck every month.
Re:Honoring Your Craft – An alternative to the Four Hour Wor... by pietrovismara on Saturday January 09, 2021 @07:51AM (#25699958)
Or you could stop exploting them. Points of view.