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Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by gpm on Thursday January 07, 2021 @11:46AM (#25673371)
I don't quite disagree with this, but I'm willing to defend those who do because a slightly different weighting in my priorities would make my disagree.

Inciting violence should be punished by the law, not by Facebook. For regular people it makes sense to outsource some of this to Facebook, to minimize the load on the legal system. POTUS however is one very high profile person. His statements are not being missed by those who have the authority to enforce the law. There is public debate ongoing over what should be done. Facebook should not need to help out here.

Of course, as a result of an ubstroctionist attorney general (the baseless memo protecting the president from prosecution) and Senate (refusing to convict for political reasons) Facebook might actually be the best practical route, but them having to take that roll is actively damaging to society.

Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by anonunivgrad on Thursday January 07, 2021 @11:50AM (#25673451)
Trump did not incite violence. If anything, the media this summer was much more involved in inciting and fueling the BLM riots.
Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by jedberg on Thursday January 07, 2021 @11:54AM (#25673502)
He literally stood outside near the Capitol and said, “If you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore” and then encouraged the crowd to go to the Capitol.
Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by jacobriis on Thursday January 07, 2021 @12:05PM (#25673701)
What he literally said while he "literally stood outside near the Capitol" (he was almost two miles away from the Capitol):

"Now it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. After this, we’re going to walk down and I’ll be there with you. We’re going to walk down. We’re going to walk down any one you want, but I think right here. We’re going walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women. We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong."

...

"So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, I love Pennsylvania Avenue, and we’re going to the Capitol and we’re going to try and give… The Democrats are hopeless. They’re never voting for anything, not even one vote. But we’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones, because the strong ones don’t need any of our help, we’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.

So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I want to thank you all. God bless you and God bless America. Thank you all for being here, this is incredible. Thank you very much. Thank you."

Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by djsumdog on Thursday January 07, 2021 @12:07PM (#25673745)
You can fight via protesting. That's not inciting violence. The BLM supporter in Chicago literally told people to loot and that looting was reparations:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/aug/11/ariel-atkin...

Should she be arrested? Probably not, even though she was wrong and a terrible person for saying that.

The law is very specific when it comes to free speech. You need specific calls to violence and Trump did not come anywhere near close to that here.

He's asking people to fight because the courts have refused to even hear testimony. Texas brought a lawsuit and was dismissed in three sentences for not having standing, in the only court legally allowed to decide cases between states.

If you still deny any and all election irregularity after all the videos and all the dead people voting and all the questionable information, that is part of the problem. An entire nation watched their court systems refuse to even listen to any evidence. People have lost faith in the system.

And this very minor breaking into a building, causing less than 1/10 of the damage of any BLM riot, is blown up into some crazy "this is the end of democracy" bullshit. People have taken over American federal buildings several times in American history.

The regular peasants walked around the the sacred place of the rich and they're afraid. Also a woman got shot. She's not black so her life doesn't matter.

Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by nobody9999 on Friday January 08, 2021 @08:20AM (#25684395)
>He's asking people to fight because the courts have refused to even hear testimony. Texas brought a lawsuit and was dismissed in three sentences for not having standing, in the only court legally allowed to decide cases between states.

You have been lied to.

Here's some actual information[0] about what the courts did (yes, they did take evidence and hear arguments, and where they didn't it was for appropriate reasons.).

Don't believe me. And don't believe anyone else either. Read the complaints, arguments and rulings yourself. Then make up your own mind.

[0] https://electioncases.osu.edu/2021/01/summary-of-post-electi...

Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by dukeofdoom on Thursday January 07, 2021 @12:05PM (#25673716)
Trump is a leader of a populist movement. The call was to march and protest outside.

He gave no direction for them to go inside. And soon after they went in, he made a video statements on Twitter for them to go home.

I also thought its the "Peoples House" after all. Not really sure what laws were broken other than maybe trespassing. BTW, democrats have occupied legislators too during protests.

Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by lovecg on Thursday January 07, 2021 @12:55PM (#25674578)
If I make a dog angry, then take its muzzle off and make it go near you, am I liable when you get bitten? I didn’t give it direction to bite you after all.
Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by anonunivgrad on Thursday January 07, 2021 @01:50PM (#25675390)
Human beings are not dogs. The law treats them as autonomous. Getting people riled up and angry and encouraging them to protest is not incitement just because a few of them take it too far.
Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by dukeofdoom on Thursday January 07, 2021 @01:10PM (#25674833)
I think you are missing the point. He has the support of 70 million people. This is a widely supported populist movement, backed by 20+ years of grievance with the current "uniparty"

Generally it only takes 1% of the people to start a revolution. If Trump intent was to overthrow these legacy fossils it would have happened yesterday. Instead he called his people back.

With every news article condemnation, supreme court rejection, and double standard like facebook banning or twitter trying to disrupt their communications, it only strengthens his backers sense of being aggrieved.

Trump will use these betrayals by republicans to start his own party. The goal has been democratic reform.

Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by lovecg on Thursday January 07, 2021 @01:54PM (#25675460)
> If Trump intent was to overthrow these legacy fossils it would have happened yesterday.

And Putin said that if his security forces wanted to kill the opposition politician, they would have succeeded. If it didn’t work, it’s not a big deal right?

Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by anonunivgrad on Thursday January 07, 2021 @12:05PM (#25673717)
"Fight like hell" does not mean violence. Political groups "fight" for this or that all the time. And yeah, go to the capitol to protest, like the vast majority of people did. Only a tiny percent had anything to do with breaching the building.
Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by Thaxll on Thursday January 07, 2021 @11:51AM (#25673469)
Yes he did, just watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBH7ql34Ex0 it's just lies and pushing people to do terrible things.

Trump is currently the most dangerous American alive, he's the most powerful person on the planet spreading lies over lies to his millions of followers.

Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by goostavos on Thursday January 07, 2021 @12:11PM (#25673805)
Was it the

"I know everyone is getting ready to march over to the capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard"

part...?

Or was it the tweets? "Go home with love & in peace."(now deleted) https://www.thetrumparchive.com/

Maybe this one? "am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence!"

Or this video telling everyone to they they lost, and to pick up their toys and head home peacefully.

https://mobile.twitter.com/tom2badcat/status/134701535339052...

Am I in a media bubble? Where's the smoking gun of him inciting violence and trying to prevent a peaceful transition of power?

As far as I can tell, the only real source calling for violence has been the users on thedonald.win, which has caused the mods to step in and say that they will follow the Presidents call for peace and thus not allow the platform to contain calls for violence (https://thedonald.win/p/11RhAqC6sa/mods-are-compromised/)

Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by ttesttom on Thursday January 07, 2021 @12:26PM (#25674074)
Maybe check what the Republicans are saying, for example Bill Barr said:

>“Orchestrating a mob to pressure Congress is inexcusable. The president’s conduct yesterday was a betrayal of his office and supporters.”

https://twitter.com/GingerGibson/status/1347213610406313986?...

Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by anonunivgrad on Thursday January 07, 2021 @03:46PM (#25677215)
That’s a logical fallacy if I’ve ever seen one. Bill Barr has his reasons, I’m sure, for saying what he said. That doesn’t mean he’s right.
Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by ttesttom on Thursday January 07, 2021 @03:54PM (#25677327)
How is it a logical fallacy to check the opinions of both political parties? The parent asked:

> "Am I in a media bubble?"

Usually helps to check what both sides of the partisan isle are saying to avoid a bubble.

Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by lovecg on Thursday January 07, 2021 @12:59PM (#25674659)
Or maybe the one where he said that he “loves” the violent mob without a single word of condemnation? How is this even a conversation at this point?
Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by ttesttom on Thursday January 07, 2021 @12:24PM (#25674031)
Even Bill Barr, Trumps former AG, said Trump incited a mob.

>“Orchestrating a mob to pressure Congress is inexcusable. The president’s conduct yesterday was a betrayal of his office and supporters.”

https://twitter.com/GingerGibson/status/1347213610406313986?...