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Re:A group of Google workers have announced plans to unionize by ddingus on Monday January 04, 2021 @09:38AM (#25631836)
The better organizers will have a priority discussion.

What terms improve things for everyone? How should work be?

From there, they build solidarity around those terms.

When the vision maps to 80 / 90 percent of labor at that enterprise, the effort to unionize can win.

Re:A group of Google workers have announced plans to unionize by asdfasgasdgasdg on Monday January 04, 2021 @11:00AM (#25632970)
> When the vision maps to 80 / 90 percent of labor at that enterprise, the effort to unionize can win.

The odds of this happening at Google in the next ten years are pretty low, I'd say. That's why they organized this as a members-only union rather than trying to do a real unionization drive.

Re:A group of Google workers have announced plans to unionize by ddingus on Monday January 04, 2021 @11:24AM (#25633432)
I agree. It will be interesting to see it play out.

Members only does lower the bar considerably.

Size matters. If it gets big?

New ideas matter too.

The traditional union struggle has become very difficult in the US. The high solidarity numbers required today are 20 to 30 points more than necessary before.

Re:A group of Google workers have announced plans to unionize by asdfasgasdgasdg on Tuesday January 05, 2021 @06:58PM (#25653049)
Someone told me that union dues are 1% of annual compensation. Wild. Although I learned that teachers pay closer to 2%. Seems like a lot.
Re:A group of Google workers have announced plans to unionize by ddingus on Tuesday January 05, 2021 @08:39PM (#25653796)
Depends, doesn't it?

Solid negotiations basically pay the dues and then some.

This may not be true for all diciplines / positions.

In terms of risks, marginalizing those is worth something too.

For many, just keeping health care sane is worth a lot more than a couple points.

Re:A group of Google workers have announced plans to unionize by asdfasgasdgasdg on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @07:15PM (#25664876)
For teachers that totally makes sense. But this is a minority union that will not have collective bargaining power in the foreseeable future.
Re:A group of Google workers have announced plans to unionize by esoterica on Monday January 04, 2021 @01:08PM (#25635398)
> What terms improve things for everyone? How should work be?

There is no such thing as "improving things for everyone" because different people have different preferences. Some people want job stability, some people want work life balance, some people just want to get paid, fuck everything else. If a union tries to pursue some priorities over others they are screwing over all the employees who have different preferences.

Re:A group of Google workers have announced plans to unionize by ddingus on Monday January 04, 2021 @01:43PM (#25635982)
Yes there is. Happens all over the world.

And frankly, sometimes there is no basis for solidarity, and thus no union.

Resolving that is a discussion that actually does determine whether there is improvement for everyone, not just some blanket statement or other.

Finally, yeah. A few people may not give a fuck. Consideration due is consideration given.

Re:A group of Google workers have announced plans to unionize by pbhjpbhj on Monday January 04, 2021 @05:34PM (#25639222)
Join a different union?

If your union refuses to let workers be exploited for unpaid overtime, but you really like working to make other people rich, leave!?

Re:A group of Google workers have announced plans to unionize by dleslie on Monday January 04, 2021 @12:10PM (#25634335)
You're taking it on faith that those with authority in the discussions will be acting altruistically with equitable consideration for all would-be members.
Re:A group of Google workers have announced plans to unionize by ddingus on Monday January 04, 2021 @01:40PM (#25635926)
No I am not. Failure to set that expectation easily is one of the reasons for much higher solidarity numbers needed to win these days.

In the US, costs and risks are pretty high. People need more than they did in times past.