I have no such trust when downloading apps from alternate places
Apple policy could be described as an insult to the scientific principles that led to computing, let alone user rights to run software on devices they own (somewhat established in courts).
"In the famous Apple v. Samsung lawsuit, Apple even claimed ownership of geometric shapes such as rectangles with rounded corners", cited from The crisis of intellectual monopoly capitalism, Ugo Pagano
How about if there was a supply chain attack on the bank’s software?
A hack is a hack. A single point of failure is actually worse for everybody.
There are many, many technical means available to do this. I usually control security on my server...
What actual evidence do we have for this?
We know about edge cases that do make the media.
We know about cases that make the media but which don’t get much sympathy.
Is there any actual evidence that hundreds of useful app are being discarded?
I mean I've read countless stories of app/software being thrown into abyss here on HN itself. Does Apple release any such data? Where does a guy with no network report to about such incidents?
Please don't argue for the sake of argument.
Really? - I don’t remember the last time I read one. There are a few a year where there is a serious debate. Certainly plenty of people dislike the rules, but that isn’t the same as Apple just throwing away good apps.
I think the statement that hundreds of good apps are being thrown into the abyss is bullshit.
You are using the absence of evidence to support a strong claim.
We really don’t know whether there is any truth to it or not.
Given how many people seem to think this is such a problem, I’m surprised nobody has aggregated the stories.
>I think the statement that hundreds of good apps are being thrown into the abyss is bullshit
Nobody cares about what you think. You, too, could have refuted the claim with data.
Absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
This is absolutely true.
I can’t prove there aren’t hundreds of apps being discarded.
However you have now admitted that there is no evidence that there are.
I challenged a poster who was making this claim as if it was a fact.
It isn’t a fact, as you now agree.
I think it’s important to call bullshit for what it is.
Or maybe it's too late. Apple is so rich and so big, this is just people being ground up in the gears of bureaucracy.
That sounds like "if you don't like how this country is run, immigrate elsewhere" - used usually by right wingers.
How about people liking other aspects of the country (or, in this case, liking the OS, the hardware, the ecosystem, and so on) and considering them worth staying over the alternatives? Should they move to what they consider a sub-par platform to "make a point" about some App Store policies or some other such thing?
And if most people are fine even with those things (e.g. could not give less fucks how the country is run as long as they're doing ok or don't care about some App Store faults) how is small scale immigration/skipping platform wont get lost in the noise?
Boycotting companies is only a real tool when there are very heavy issues at stake, and millions of people agree on it, and also they thing there are perfectly fine alternatives for their use cases. Easy to boycott Nike when there's 100 sneaker brands that will do.
How about improving the country/platform in other ways? Including publishing opinions, pressure groups, shaming when necessary, and so on.
All of those are optional for Apple to consider, not giving them money sends a signal they won't ignore.
(a) this just sends a fuzzy signal they can easily ignore
(b) for the signal to not be fuzzy needs the coordination of millions (good luck)
(c) those millions will also hurt themselves in the process, assuming they otherwise like the platform and prefer using it over others, their complaints about it aside (e.g. I needs people to go like: "Yeah, sure, lemme change the OS and hardware I love because the App Store is not managed well or there's this or that other flow, great idea, that will show them!") [1]
(d) ...and even then the signal will still be fuzzy enough ("Hmm, many people left the platform. Was it because we don't have enough color options for our laptops or because we mistreated some app developers?").
[1] Obviously people who have major qualms with Apple (as opposed to minor) would easily leave/have already left. But those are not the majority of people using and liking Apple products that gives the company top satisfaction ratings every year for example. Those would be those that dislike Apple or its current product line, not those that merely want to punish it for this or that issue (e.g. App Store policies).
In any case all of this is known of the Apple ecosystem. If you don’t like it then go develop for Windows.
Also, you're never going to get any network if Apple never approved your app in the place...
Polemic metaphors aside, I don't think the relationship you propose (quality app > network > you get help) is very consistent or reliable. Say I make an app for soccer moms with millions of users - do you think I would get significant Twitter support from my customer base if my app went away? Conversely, don't you think I can get the radicalized 50 customers of my pro-genocide to scream very loud on Twitter for weeks?
This does not even touch on founders/devs who want to stay anonymous for whatever reasons and a lot of other edge cases. It is a shitty system.
Each month, I use several hundred different "apps" (broader meaning)- how many of those are written by a two-person teams in Iraq or Kazakhstan who do not have thousands of monthly Medium readers? How many of your cache cleaners, debuggers, flashlights and mac utility managers are written by some kid in Northern England who never even heard of HN?
Every time somebody writes a "my app got finally restored :)" post hundreds or thousands of equally good and legit pieces of software get thrown into the abyss - and why? Because the author speaks no English, has no network, does not tweet enough. What a shitty reason.
In the long run, this makes the internet and tech culture as a whole more and more "Silicon Valley" and less and less diverse - and plain worse. Just because FAANG - the guys supposedly at the spearhead of AI innovation and diversity - cannot be bothered to moderate, except when there is a PR thread. I consider that quite the disgrace.