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Re:Bitcoin is a disaster by firekvz on Thursday December 31, 2020 @08:11PM (#25599582)
Another fellow Venezuelan here, this guy points are actually wrong and he's just using the momentum to prove some point related to bitcoin that is not true

Before hand, I would like people to know that the current VES:USD rates are the following:

- Official rate: 1.107.198,58 per each USD [1]

- Unofficial rate: 1.027.812,89 per each USD [2]

So now, The way that remittances work in Venezuela is pretty simple, let’s say a person A, wants to send 100$ to his grandma in Venezuela, and Person B has Venezuelan Bolivars.

Person A gets in contact with person B (or viceversa), they agree on a rate based on the 2 rates i said before, person A sends the 100$ usd to person B and person B sends the Venezuelan Bolivars equivalent to person A grandmother. There is always a factor trust on said trade/ remittance where someone has to send the money 1st.

Now, this exchange for the USD side is USUALLY made using Zelle (in the case of USD remittances) but its also done a lot in actual cash USD, it can also be done in any other method such as Paypal, AirTM, Cashapp, Venmo, etc.. it could even be in hello kitty coins if person A and B agrees. It doesnt really matter.. As for the venezuelan bolivars parts, its always done in venezuelan banks.

What the poster here says in point (1) its wrong, you can use W.U, MoneyGram to send money to Venezuela, it uses the official exchange rate, thus, you don't have to go to colombia to send money to venezuela, remitances using those services are working online (they deposit to your bank), there is also fully operational exchanges like zoom casa de cambio, that will take remitances from different companies worldwide. [3]

So this is my point. As I say, venezuelans do not need bitcoin, they could trade even hello kitty online coins or whatever any other method that allows them to send some value worth. Directly, they just use Zelle or cash, some others use paypal or whatever they want.

So, bitcoin doesn't really benefits Venezuelans, the only thing that benefits venezuelans is the localbitcoins escrow service, but this is not because its cripto or because its bitcoin, it's just because noone else offers an escrow service to sucessfully exchange currency, that's pretty much it. Venezuelans just lack some place to properly exchange money it doesnt need bitcoin

In fact, if you go ahead and check localbitcoin prices for exchange between VES:USD, the rate is always worse, you can check this site that tracks the rate on real time [https://dolardeverdad.com/]

Adding to this, there is another layer to this, it's the fact that it's really hard for Venezuelans to convert bitcoin into USD, not only because we are not welcome on sites like coinbase.com

Now, you wonder right now, how come there is a lot of bitcoin being bought in venezuela's localbitcoin market, now I will answer you, it's plain and simple money laundering, that's it, there is drug dealers, corrupt goverment officials and a bunch of shady people who has TONS of venezuelans bolivars and they want to get them turned into something else. Using my example before, the person B would be the corrupt/drug dealer and the person A would be you trying to send money to your grandma

So no, don't come with the "bitcoin is saving venezuela" speech, it', Bitcoin its a workaround for corruption and dirty venezuelan money to find its way into USD.

[1] http://www.bcv.org.ve/

[2] https://www.instagram.com/p/CJbfgj3FLft/

[3] https://www.zoomcasadecambio.com/

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Re:Bitcoin is a disaster by dang on Monday January 04, 2021 @03:06PM (#25637111)
Can you please make your substantive points without personal attack? We're trying to avoid flamewars here.

I realize this can be difficult when a topic is close to home, but it's an effort we all have to make on the topics that we feel strongest about.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Bitcoin is a disaster by firekvz on Thursday December 31, 2020 @08:44PM (#25599885)
Absolutely, go r/vzla so you can find everyone making fun of bitcoin usage in venezuela :), bitcoin is actually a meme there for this sole reason, people outside think bitcoin is used, when is not.

As for OP, had no other options to call me a "maduro bot", when Im clearly stating that localbitcoins is exactly the place where all the maduro corrupt officials clean their drug/stolen money. haha.

Let me remind you that, the venezuelan corrupt goverment LOVES crypto, because it allows them to clean their stolen money. Thats why they are even mining it themselves [1] with free power and stolen bitcoin mining machines [2]

And to finish, you can literally find the westerunion guidelines on how to send money to venezuela [3] where it clearly states that you can receive remittances in any office of "zoom cambios" in venezuelan territory.

[1] https://cointelegraph.com/news/venezuelan-army-starts-mining...

[2] https://news.bitcoin.com/venezuela-seizes-315-bitcoin-mining...

[3] https://www.westernunion.com/ve/en/send-money.html#:~:text=Y....

Re:Bitcoin is a disaster by chris_wot on Thursday December 31, 2020 @09:47PM (#25600330)
It would better if you addressed his arguments and not make dispersions against his person. Classic ad hominem attack.
Re:Bitcoin is a disaster by cambalache on Thursday December 31, 2020 @10:01PM (#25600410)
> So, bitcoin doesn't really benefits Venezuelans, the only thing that benefits venezuelans is the localbitcoins escrow service, but this is not because its cripto or because its bitcoin, it's just because noone else offers an escrow service to sucessfully exchange currency, that's pretty much it.

This is the argument. I dont need to address anything. BTW, not that it matters but I dont hold bitcoins , I am not a trader and I dont have any association with localbitcoins, I even agreed with the points presented in the article (check my post history) now check OP's.

Re:Bitcoin is a disaster by kikimora on Friday January 01, 2021 @05:05AM (#25602160)
I don’t claim OP is a bot but you advise would not work if he/she is. The problem with bots is you cannot refute all the nonsense they generate. They are not interested in arguing with you, their job is to generate as much contradictory claims as possible so everybody reading the thread will be lost and confused. I’ve been watching this behavior in Russia for quite some time.