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Re:PyPy Project looking for sponsorship to add support for A... by smspf on Thursday December 31, 2020 @08:39AM (#25592557)
To be honest, I don't blame Apple for this. I blame the ARM ecosystem which is very fragmented, each company working with ARM is contributing to the stuff they are interested in and that's it.

Lots of contractors and always shuffling/changing projects they work on.

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Re:PyPy Project looking for sponsorship to add support for A... by oblio on Thursday December 31, 2020 @01:47PM (#25595699)
Isn't Apple doing the exact same thing with their proprietary ARM ISA extensions?
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Re:PyPy Project looking for sponsorship to add support for A... by my123 on Thursday December 31, 2020 @03:21PM (#25596706)
Their ISA extension is an ML-specific one, and macOS runs fine with it disabled. Their public compilers do not support it either.

You are supposed to use it through Accelerate.framework, which exposes a more traditional interface to that capability.

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Re:PyPy Project looking for sponsorship to add support for A... by skissane on Thursday December 31, 2020 @05:08PM (#25597751)
> Their ISA extension is an ML-specific one

Apple Silicon has more than one ISA extension.

There is also the x86 memory ordering extension used by Rosetta 2.

Maybe there are yet others too.

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Re:PyPy Project looking for sponsorship to add support for A... by my123 on Thursday December 31, 2020 @05:11PM (#25597770)
> There is also the x86 memory ordering extension used by Rosetta 2.

That one isn't really a requirement either, and is handled fully in kernel mode.

Wkdm and friends are handled fully in kernel mode.

APRR? Not a strict requirement for user-mode, JIT regions are just left as RWX without it.

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Re:PyPy Project looking for sponsorship to add support for A... by saagarjha on Thursday December 31, 2020 @06:35PM (#25598563)
Apple enforces APRR on macOS; you need to use their APIs to work within the confines of W^X.
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Re:PyPy Project looking for sponsorship to add support for A... by saagarjha on Thursday December 31, 2020 @06:35PM (#25598574)
There are more but they are not exposed to applications. Apple wants you to ship standard arm64 code.
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