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Re:HTML5 still doesn't replicate what mattered about Flash by ramraj07 on Wednesday December 30, 2020 @08:25PM (#25588485)
I call a bit of BS about this. In the end, the code that creates js or HTML5 equivalent (poorer versions in fact) end up being far more resource intensive and buggy than flash was. Importantly, this is after millions of man hours were put into optimising the hell out of the js engines. Further, apple itself ended up optimising it's processor architecture to allow faster JS execution.

What would have happened if Steve Jobs hadn't made an ultimatum on Flash? The iPhone might have taken a few more iterations, but eventually they would have figured out how to support flash well in their phones. We might even be in a place where processors are designed to efficiently execute flash (the new M1 has so many specialization this is not even reaching out).

Instead what we have today is a mess of things that still don't add up to technology we had a decade back, and we have really bad, inefficient code running everywhere trying their best to emulate what flash did.

In the end, the reality is that Jobs made a tech forecasting mistake assuming HTML5 (not js) will eventually catch up with flash. It never did. As poor forecasting decisions go this is fairly reasonable, but we cannot move forward if we continue insisting that this was the best decision even in retrospect.

Re:HTML5 still doesn't replicate what mattered about Flash by ogre_codes on Wednesday December 30, 2020 @08:53PM (#25588691)
> In the end, the code that creates js or HTML5 equivalent (poorer versions in fact) end up being far more resource intensive and buggy than flash was.

I doubt it. Adobe tried to make a go with Flash on Android to spite Jobs and it was a train-wreck. While Android makers were willing to put giant batteries in to support sloppy code, Apple wasn't.

> The iPhone might have taken a few more iterations, but eventually they would have figured out how to support flash well in their phones.

Apple shipped a phone with barely a day's battery life and it remained that way for years as features and performance caught up. If they'd shipped Flash, it would have cooked the CPU on every site it visited ruining the limited battery life the phone had. This is one of those cases where shipping less made a better product.

> In the end, the reality is that Jobs made a tech forecasting mistake assuming HTML5 (not js) will eventually catch up with flash.

You are splitting hairs. Nobody has made a perfect technology prediction 10 years out.

Re:HTML5 still doesn't replicate what mattered about Flash by tomc1985 on Wednesday December 30, 2020 @10:24PM (#25589258)
I had a Samsung Blackjack running Windows Mobile and it supported Flash, and anything Flash ran like absolute ass, even in LQ mode
Re:HTML5 still doesn't replicate what mattered about Flash by worik on Wednesday December 30, 2020 @09:31PM (#25588950)
Do you not recall that flash was a the worst of the closed source rubbish.

It never played well on any system I cared to use. The tools to generate it were unavailable to the likes of me and a lot of people here, who back in the day were second class citizens.

Also it tried to make the the Web TV before there was anywhere enough processing power at the ends nor bandwidth in the middle.

Designers on their expensive powerful machines built magnificent content that nobody who respected the technology in their personal stack, and paid a reasonable price for their infrastructure could use.

Well, back in the day we may have been second class citizens. How the world has changed. Good riddance to bad rubbish!

Re:HTML5 still doesn't replicate what mattered about Flash by larsiusprime on Wednesday December 30, 2020 @09:43PM (#25589019)
Seriously like 90% of the flash content creators I knew were using pirated versions at some point in their careers, for what it's worth.
Re:HTML5 still doesn't replicate what mattered about Flash by andai on Thursday December 31, 2020 @12:35AM (#25589910)
Who do you mean when you say we?
Re:HTML5 still doesn't replicate what mattered about Flash by pjmlp on Thursday December 31, 2020 @05:02AM (#25591269)
Probably the GNU/Linux users that now jump of joy when given Electron apps or Wine/Proton based games.
Re:HTML5 still doesn't replicate what mattered about Flash by ogre_codes on Thursday December 31, 2020 @01:08PM (#25595244)
Never really thought about what a blessing Electron is for Linux users. Electron means Linux Desktop users are a build away rather so they get the same resource hogging apps Windows and Mac users do.