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Re:FAA issuing new rules to allow drones to fly over people ... by xnx on Monday December 28, 2020 @04:15PM (#25563310)
I had the crazy thought that drones ladden with deliveries could dispatch from the top of a central tall structure (like a skyscraper or antenna), take advantage of the height differential to efficiently glide toward their delivery destination, and then make their return with less weight to carry. Probably very few locales where this could make sense compared to automated sidewalk deliveries like Starship. The speed of the delivery could be astoundingly fast though.
Re:FAA issuing new rules to allow drones to fly over people ... by szhu on Monday December 28, 2020 @04:37PM (#25563511)
Not an expert in this field by any means, but I feel like most of a helicopter's thrust is used to keep it in the air, even when it's lowering slightly.

Maybe this can be efficient if the drone had a fixed wing so it can glide. Or we can make the "structure" really really tall -- perhaps the delivery plane can launch drones that basically paraglide into the city below, and the drones can fly back to a collection center once they've delivered the payload.

Re:FAA issuing new rules to allow drones to fly over people ... by contingencies on Monday December 28, 2020 @05:57PM (#25564283)
This is not totally crazy. A problem would be you then need a lift to carry everything to the top floor and an expensive structure to support it. You also have local wind and weather conditions to deal with at altitude.

Alternatively, you could use a ground-based slingshot to vertically propel gliders, an approach that is already used in the military and for some long distance UAV testing. However, the wing-based UAV vs. rotor-based UAV physics are very different. Landing an elevated glider with a clear path to its target is one thing, maneuvering between trees and power lines in a complex environment without rotors is quite another.

Then you need to look at a 'convertible' UAV with both features... undoubtedly this raises the cost, reduces the carrying capacity, and is already being pursued.

Finally, you could zoom out and re-evaluate the business case. Why not use a network of local dispatch points (handover points to ground-based UAVs or vans) to reduce the distance to the consumer and with the smaller geographic scope negotiate private airspace access on locally agreeable terms. I believe this is the future for general consumption (food, regular deliveries within small package weight/dimension limits).

Re:FAA issuing new rules to allow drones to fly over people ... by kreeben on Monday December 28, 2020 @04:30PM (#25563449)
>> drones ladden with deliveries could dispatch from the top of a central tall structure

Wouldn't the cost of elevating the loaded drones to the rooftop of that tall structure negate any monetary gains? Wouldn't the cost be exactly that of simply using grounded vehicles that elevate themselves?

(edited for clarity)

Re:FAA issuing new rules to allow drones to fly over people ... by hatsunearu on Monday December 28, 2020 @04:36PM (#25563500)
lifting those payloads up the tower would just use the commerical power grid and not batteries that you also have to carry up. cables and motors are much more efficient than propellers.
Re:FAA issuing new rules to allow drones to fly over people ... by randycupertino on Monday December 28, 2020 @08:37PM (#25565659)
Reminds me of the pneumatic tubes used in hospitals to send labs between units. You can tour the pneumatic tube system at Stanford- it's several miles long. https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/pneumatic-tubes-at-stanf...
Re:FAA issuing new rules to allow drones to fly over people ... by selectodude on Monday December 28, 2020 @04:51PM (#25563657)
An elevator?
Re:FAA issuing new rules to allow drones to fly over people ... by kreeben on Monday December 28, 2020 @05:11PM (#25563844)
An elevator indeed. But there's a cost involved in elevating goods to the top of a tall building. My question was, is that cost smaller than the cost of having drones with elevation capabilities take of from the ground?
Re:FAA issuing new rules to allow drones to fly over people ... by datameta on Monday December 28, 2020 @05:41PM (#25564122)
Presumably the predominant portion of the energy used to raise an elevator is for the mass of the elevator itself
Re:FAA issuing new rules to allow drones to fly over people ... by saagarjha on Saturday January 02, 2021 @10:53PM (#25619251)
Usually elevators are counterweighted fairly significantly.
Re:FAA issuing new rules to allow drones to fly over people ... by datameta on Sunday January 03, 2021 @03:34PM (#25624973)
As you say it is actually using very little energy in overcoming the inertia of the system to go up as the counterweight outweighs an empty elevator, and the weight of a drone is insignificant in this regard. However when coming back down the system must raise the heavy counterweight which is only partially balanced by the empty elevator.
Re:FAA issuing new rules to allow drones to fly over people ... by lolc on Monday December 28, 2020 @06:11PM (#25564418)
So what if instead of being on a hill, we accelerate the drones on launch straight up? Make them bullet-shaped so they don't lose too much momentum. If we lose the requirement of them returning on their own we could also simplify the shell quite a bit. Small wings, guidance electronics and a parachute. Then do curbside collection of the shells once a week.

In summary: Rain the deliveries onto the neighborhood with a railgun.

Re:FAA issuing new rules to allow drones to fly over people ... by curryst on Monday December 28, 2020 @06:36PM (#25564648)
My packages already show up looking like they were dragged behind the truck. I can't imagine what they'd look like if they got fired out of a rail gun.

In real terms, I'm doubtful that the majority of people's goods would withstand that kind of rapid acceleration. Consumer electronics frequently break from hitting the floor, a rail gun would probably shred them. You could accelerate more slowly, but then you need more runway, and you might end up building a skyscraper anyways to get a delivery radius that's more than half a mile.

Re:FAA issuing new rules to allow drones to fly over people ... by oliv__ on Monday December 28, 2020 @10:19PM (#25566377)
That sounds like such a nuisance, yet so cool! I can picture a beautiful tall geometric metal structure with drones zooming in and out like a mini airport
Re:FAA issuing new rules to allow drones to fly over people ... by pc86 on Monday December 28, 2020 @04:29PM (#25563437)
There aren't many warehouses at the top of skyscrapers, though.
Re:FAA issuing new rules to allow drones to fly over people ... by jdironman on Monday December 28, 2020 @04:37PM (#25563510)
And you have to move not only the drones, but also the packages to the top.