The Saturn V would be three people to the moon and back. Starship is 100 people more or less around GTO. Multiple starships are needed to go to Mars. It's a pretty ridiculous comparison.

Isn’t excluding comparisons that include refuelling, when contrasting a refuel-able and a non refuel-able vehicle, somewhat ridiculous? Starship is refuel-able , that’s one of its capabilities. Nobody on these vehicles going to Mars will care about you sitting there complaining that is doesn’t count.

Kinda reminds me of the argument that the Wright Bros didn't invent the airplane because a catapult was used to launch later models.

(Apparently the aircraft launched from an aircraft carrier aren't really airplanes, either!)

If you only care about one way travel then any refuealable vehicle technically has infinite delta v.

People on these vehicles going to Mars are mostly going to complain about not being able to go back, as any kind of return mission will be Non-reusable.

> People on these vehicles going to Mars are mostly going to complain about not being able to go back, as any kind of return mission will be Non-reusable.

What are you talking about? Starships will be refueled on Mars and will return back to Earth. Why shouldn't they be reusable after their return?

>If you only care about one way...

I care about actual practical capabilities and achievable mission profiles. What do you are about?

Getting to LEO is already halfway to anywhere in the Solar System, though. And then Starship can go back and land.

The Saturn V didn't come back with people did it? Just a small capsule splashing in the ocean