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Re:Starship / Super Heavy by simonh on Sunday December 27, 2020 @03:25AM (#25549683)
Isn’t excluding comparisons that include refuelling, when contrasting a refuel-able and a non refuel-able vehicle, somewhat ridiculous? Starship is refuel-able , that’s one of its capabilities. Nobody on these vehicles going to Mars will care about you sitting there complaining that is doesn’t count.
Re:Starship / Super Heavy by WalterBright on Sunday December 27, 2020 @05:07AM (#25550060)
Kinda reminds me of the argument that the Wright Bros didn't invent the airplane because a catapult was used to launch later models.

(Apparently the aircraft launched from an aircraft carrier aren't really airplanes, either!)

Re:Starship / Super Heavy by sudosysgen on Sunday December 27, 2020 @03:30AM (#25549703)
If you only care about one way travel then any refuealable vehicle technically has infinite delta v.

People on these vehicles going to Mars are mostly going to complain about not being able to go back, as any kind of return mission will be Non-reusable.

Re:Starship / Super Heavy by adwn on Sunday December 27, 2020 @03:34AM (#25549728)
> People on these vehicles going to Mars are mostly going to complain about not being able to go back, as any kind of return mission will be Non-reusable.

What are you talking about? Starships will be refueled on Mars and will return back to Earth. Why shouldn't they be reusable after their return?

Re:Starship / Super Heavy by simonh on Sunday December 27, 2020 @03:44AM (#25549769)
>If you only care about one way...

I care about actual practical capabilities and achievable mission profiles. What do you are about?