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Re:Apple Silicon M1 Die-Shots by soneil on Saturday December 26, 2020 @09:12PM (#25548230)
They do have a shot on https://www.apple.com/mac/m1/ (the first non-logo image) which looks like it matches up (you'll need to rotate one by 180°). So it's not like they're hiding it or actively avoiding it. It apparently just doesn't suit their needs.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 Die-Shots by userbinator on Saturday December 26, 2020 @09:34PM (#25548343)
The degree to which they hype UMA (a term of art within the PC industry for decades) on that page is amusing --- if Intel did the same sort of marketing for its integrated GPUs, they would almost certainly be laughed at.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 Die-Shots by viktorcode on Sunday December 27, 2020 @02:58AM (#25549597)
From what I've read it seems to be different from Intel's UMA. It's cache-friendly single pool of memory directly accessible from different cores of the SoC: CPU, GPU, NPU etc. Since there's no division of RAM between different parts of the SoC, copying operations aren't needed.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 Die-Shots by Someone on Sunday December 27, 2020 @03:44PM (#25554089)
I also read somewhere that they made sure the data formats used by the various modules are identical. Without that, you have to copy data to do format conversions. I don’t know how much of a problem that is in general, though.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 Die-Shots by culturestate on Saturday December 26, 2020 @09:42PM (#25548375)
This is consumer marketing; “people who have a solid grasp of fundamental SoC architecture” are not the target audience.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 Die-Shots by im3w1l on Saturday December 26, 2020 @09:54PM (#25548407)
What do people with such a grasp have to say about it?
Re:Apple Silicon M1 Die-Shots by wmf on Saturday December 26, 2020 @10:15PM (#25548508)
M1's performance is great, but there isn't much evidence to attribute it to the memory subsystem. Also, people wanting to fit 32GB worth of apps into 16GB is just wishful thinking that isn't supported by evidence either.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 Die-Shots by mamp on Saturday December 26, 2020 @10:43PM (#25548631)
Quite a lot of testing in Final Cut and Logic etc showing very good performance and efficient swap. So for most consumer apps it works well. No magic if you need a big block of memory for ML or analytics.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 Die-Shots by AnthonyMouse on Sunday December 27, 2020 @12:50AM (#25549162)
Do we know what benefit they're getting by putting the memory on the chip to begin with? I had initially assumed there was some non-trivial performance advantage in it, but now people are saying not so much, so why did they do it?

It seems weird to artificially limit the max memory if there was no advantage in it.

Re:Apple Silicon M1 Die-Shots by wmf on Sunday December 27, 2020 @01:02AM (#25549214)
I think it's a power advantage, not performance.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 Die-Shots by jeffbee on Sunday December 27, 2020 @01:02AM (#25549212)
The benefit is they can charge you $200 for memory they bought from Samsung for $15. There’s no performance advantage to the user.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 Die-Shots by dan1234 on Sunday December 27, 2020 @03:12AM (#25549640)
I’d love to know where you’re picking up LPDDR4X-4266 RAM for $15?
Re:Apple Silicon M1 Die-Shots by jeffbee on Sunday December 27, 2020 @12:45PM (#25552712)
Are you actually asking? The spot price for LPDDR4X 16G is only $9. I was actually being generous. No doubt the contract price is far lower.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 Die-Shots by dan1234 on Thursday December 31, 2020 @08:10AM (#25592293)
Yeah a link would be good. I haven’t seen anything approaching those prices - all well over $100