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Re:Hotwire: HTML over the Wire by ChrisLTD on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @12:31PM (#25508800)
Preach! Websites don’t seem all that much better to me than they did 10 years ago [^fn], so what are we gaining with all these much more complex and fragile tools?

[fn]: Arguably, the web is worse with chat bots, sticky headers, and modals constantly vying for your attention.

Re:Hotwire: HTML over the Wire by craftinator on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @02:55PM (#25510427)
> Arguably, the web is worse with chat bots, sticky headers, and modals constantly vying for your attention.

We can blame this on the MBA types. I've literally never heard a software engineer say "hey, let's make this pop-up after they've already been looking at the page for a minute!" or anything like it.

Re:Hotwire: HTML over the Wire by rorykoehler on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @03:16PM (#25510680)
Engineers typically aren’t tasked with increasing revenue/engagement.
Re:Hotwire: HTML over the Wire by Nextgrid on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @03:22PM (#25510761)
Unfortunately I have to disagree - if there weren't any engineers around to implement the dark patterns they wouldn't be as prevalent. Maybe this calls for an equivalent of the Hippocratic Oath but in the tech world?
Re:Hotwire: HTML over the Wire by rorykoehler on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @04:35PM (#25511537)
Brick layers. Developers develop, designers design was more my point, though of course this line is blurred in many organisations.