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Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by go_prodev on Monday December 21, 2020 @05:48PM (#25500628)
Would Apple be required to make their car parts interchangeable with the generic aftermarket brands and car service centers? IIRC there is a law specifically for car manufacturing.

I can imagine a dystopian future with custom non-standard parts, specialist repair centers, restrictions on what you can do with it, Apple being able to track everywhere we go, what we listen to, who is with us, and establishing a network of devices that work together but not with other brands. And that's just their phones, imagine their cars!

Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by vasco on Monday December 21, 2020 @05:55PM (#25500689)
Specialist repair centres and a policy against out of brand repairs is something Tesla has done already.
Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by wobbly_bush on Monday December 21, 2020 @05:54PM (#25500675)
I can't even begin to imagine how a walled garden for a car would look like. Perhaps there are examples from already existing car manufacturers.
Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by TrackerFF on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @02:13AM (#25503799)
John Deere?

I mean, a lot of the recent right-to-repair controversy in the US has been centered around farmers, and their ongoing battles against machine producers / makers like John Deere.

The gist is that you can't do jack sh!t on a modern John Deere, because all the software involved to diagnose/modify/operate their machines are strictly proprietary, and only available to the company, or authorized dealers and repair shops.

Here's how this could work with personal cars:

Let's say you purchase a Apple Car, and after a month the low washer fluid message starts flashing. Not only does it flash, but every 10 minutes or so it interferes with your whole media system, with some voice stating that you need to fill up on washer fluid.

Turns out your washer fluid level is actually OK, seems to be some sensor error, or bug in the software.

Problem is - you can't touch the car, mechanically or the software. Any modifications will essentially brick the car.

Only way to get this error fixed, is to bring the car to some Apple repair shop, where a tech will fix the problem in 30 seconds, and bill you $1000 for the work.

Other than the bricking part, that's the kind of stuff farmers are experiencing with quite expensive machines.

Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by ianai on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @06:18AM (#25505152)
The John Deere example is so bad it almost seems manufactured to push out small farmers. It seems like the opposite of a system that claims to be about markets leading to efficiency.
Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by AirborneUnicorn on Monday December 21, 2020 @06:08PM (#25500809)
I’m not sure you have to look too much further than Tesla for a taste of it.
Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by echelon on Monday December 21, 2020 @07:49PM (#25501628)
When Keurig does it, it's widely panned. When $favoriteCompany does it, it's hailed as innovation and welcomed with open arms and open pockets.

We shouldn't accept it anywhere. We need strong laws to prevent anyone from doing this.

Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by bufferoverflow on Monday December 21, 2020 @07:09PM (#25501362)
Easy. Most important parts are chipped and are coded to only work with each other. Without the private keys you can't make any other genuine part from another Apple car to work in your car.

They started doing that with iPhones.

Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by echelon on Monday December 21, 2020 @07:58PM (#25501678)
Stallman is rolling in his grave. And he's not even dead yet.
Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by lttlrck on Monday December 21, 2020 @06:19PM (#25500923)
Taking your car today to a factory dealer or authorized shop for repairs and servicing is akin to a walled garden. They would use factory parts and factory pricing.

There are lots of reasons why you might want to stay inside the walled garden. The higher the value of the car, the stronger they become.

Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by Corrado on Monday December 21, 2020 @07:53PM (#25501654)
Actually, most equipment in a modern BMW is keyed to that particular vehicle and cannot be replaced without a visit to the dealer. Everything from the seats, to the radio, to the headlights are all on a CAN bus and have to be coded to that specific car before they will work.
Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by p1mrx on Monday December 21, 2020 @06:34PM (#25501059)
Try taking your non-Tesla EV to a Tesla DC charging station, or vice versa. They've finally announced a CCS1 adapter for the Korean market, but there's nothing for the US yet.
Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by nojito on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @02:14PM (#25509964)
The high end car market is already a walled garden for the most part.
Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by gcristofol on Monday December 21, 2020 @06:13PM (#25500870)
Cars that charge with lighting port...
Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by Bud on Monday December 21, 2020 @06:15PM (#25500886)
Please don't waste people's time with comments like this.
Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by myself248 on Monday December 21, 2020 @07:02PM (#25501304)
I mean it's an interesting point. Tesla made their own charging plug because they didn't like J1772, who's to say Apple wouldn't do the same? It's the one part of Apple's track record I don't think anyone can possibly argue against.

If the landscape is dotted with three types of chargers, two of which are mutually incompatible, what does that mean for consumers and range?

Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by rootusrootus on Monday December 21, 2020 @07:15PM (#25501402)
> because they didn't like J1772

That's a polite interpretation. I assume the real reason is they wanted to create a walled garden. Seems like the EU, at least, forced their hand on that one.

Re:Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ b... by periya on Monday December 21, 2020 @07:27PM (#25501501)
Please don't waste people's time with comments like this.