Re:Tensions in Google's ethical AI group increase as it send...
by commandlinefan on Thursday December 17, 2020 @11:36AM
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The irony that you can't challenge these people while they're simultaneously insisting that you're the one with an unfair unearned advantage is always lost on them, too.
Re:Tensions in Google's ethical AI group increase as it send...
by cscurmudgeon on Thursday December 17, 2020 @11:30AM
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Struggle sessions don't and can't have facts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struggle_session
https://www.wsj.com/articles/get-ready-for-the-struggle-sess...
Re:Tensions in Google's ethical AI group increase as it send...
by bisectable on Thursday December 17, 2020 @11:35AM
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See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-da-fe. Questioning the righteous narrative will not be tolerated.
Anyone who has grown up around religious fundamentalists like I did learns this at a very young age. Frustratingly, when you grow up around that, you recognize the behavioral pattern very quickly, but the upper-middle class, suburban raised people with two college educated parents that make up the bulk of software engineers at the FAANGs don't, and therefore think these people are ACTUALLY virtuous.
I committed the grave sin of asking a wealthy woman (who happened to be black and who has done incredibly well in tech but complains constantly on twitter about the horrendous obstacles she faced despite being in executive positions with zero coding experience) how we could measure improvements and evaluate progress in companies with numbers, and was told that "this is a moment where you need to shut up and #listenToBlackWomen". By relying entirely on anecdotes and disallowing interrogation of her theories against data without being attacked as immoral, she has prevented any quantifiable way of evaluating progress or even recognizing companies that have done well. This tactic of ignoring facts by simply engaging in ad hominem attacks on a questioners morality, she mimics the tactics that were used against me when I dared suggest in Sunday school that dinosaurs existed billions of years ago, and humans were long after.