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Re:Gustave Courbet’s ‘Origin of the World’, 19th Century’s m... by jansan on Thursday December 17, 2020 @11:16AM (#25456925)
Sitting at my desk when suddenly my boss was standing behind me, watching me reading HN. Asked what I am doing, I say "nothing, just browsing for food for thought". To show him an example I randomly click on one of the headlines...
Re:Gustave Courbet’s ‘Origin of the World’, 19th Century’s m... by muro on Thursday December 17, 2020 @12:02PM (#25457456)
Any other year, this would be a believable story.
Re:Gustave Courbet’s ‘Origin of the World’, 19th Century’s m... by 77pt77 on Thursday December 17, 2020 @11:21AM (#25456966)
There's so much hair by today's standard that you can barely see anything.
Re:Gustave Courbet’s ‘Origin of the World’, 19th Century’s m... by DataWorker on Thursday December 17, 2020 @11:43AM (#25457221)
The hair is a thing in itself in some cultures.
Re:Gustave Courbet’s ‘Origin of the World’, 19th Century’s m... by HarryHirsch on Thursday December 17, 2020 @12:02PM (#25457462)
Yes. It's important to remember that the person who commissioned the painting was a Muslim, and in Islam both men and women are supposed to shave their genital area and underarms, because that's their proper state, according to islamic belief.
Re:Gustave Courbet’s ‘Origin of the World’, 19th Century’s m... by RcouF1uZ4gsC on Thursday December 17, 2020 @12:12PM (#25457564)
It seems that the head of the painting may have been found (though this is controversial).

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/985...

https://archive.is/rGrXL

There is speculation that this world is part of a larger complete figure that Corbet painted.

Re:Gustave Courbet’s ‘Origin of the World’, 19th Century’s m... by jandrese on Thursday December 17, 2020 @12:48PM (#25458031)
I am dubious. Origin of the World has such deliberate composition that it's hard to believe that there used to be another whole panel's worth of content up top. It would ruin the piece.
Re:Gustave Courbet’s ‘Origin of the World’, 19th Century’s m... by BXLE_1-1-BitIs1 on Thursday December 17, 2020 @11:12PM (#25463776)
Search YouTube for a tableau vivant of a lady who opened up her charms directly below the painting. Many gallery goers applauded while the security ladies were very much put off.
Re:Gustave Courbet’s ‘Origin of the World’, 19th Century’s m... by Bakary on Thursday December 17, 2020 @12:04PM (#25457473)
I don't know if they're available in English, but this reminds me of Tardi's excellent Le Cri du Peuple
Re:Gustave Courbet’s ‘Origin of the World’, 19th Century’s m... by billfruit on Thursday December 17, 2020 @12:43PM (#25457955)
You mean of Jean Vautrin? And may I ask what is the connection between the article and the novel, which in English translation is called "The Voice of the People".
Re:Gustave Courbet’s ‘Origin of the World’, 19th Century’s m... by Bakary on Thursday December 17, 2020 @12:52PM (#25458085)
It's a French comic book based on Vautrin's work. The painting plays a minor role in it.
Re:Gustave Courbet’s ‘Origin of the World’, 19th Century’s m... by jasonpeacock on Thursday December 17, 2020 @11:07AM (#25456826)
FYI, this needs an NSFW tag.
Re:Gustave Courbet’s ‘Origin of the World’, 19th Century’s m... by hirundo on Thursday December 17, 2020 @11:14AM (#25456907)
This was painted 154 years ago. I wonder if in another 154 years, in 2174, we'll still need cautionary labels on images of genitalia. Or if we may have matured a little by then (if we survive). I wouldn't bet on it.
Re:Gustave Courbet’s ‘Origin of the World’, 19th Century’s m... by BitwiseFool on Thursday December 17, 2020 @12:13PM (#25457582)
The caution label isn't for my sensibilities, it's because I want to avoid potential hassle at work. Including having to explain what I was doing when someone sees my screen.
Re:Gustave Courbet’s ‘Origin of the World’, 19th Century’s m... by trianglem on Thursday December 17, 2020 @11:41AM (#25457191)
In this case mature just implies being desensitized to seeing genitalia. I don’t know if that’s better than maintaining a healthy “lust” for the world around you especially in light of the fact that the world doesn’t offer infinite novelty. Everything in moderation?
Re:Gustave Courbet’s ‘Origin of the World’, 19th Century’s m... by Barrin92 on Thursday December 17, 2020 @02:21PM (#25459224)
>In this case mature just implies being desensitized to seeing genitalia.

Maturity in this case implies being able to contextualise nudity.

Particularly in American culture this always seems to come up. photographs of a naked child in a bathtub being scandalous, a father kissing his son, censoring images of a breastfeeding woman and so on.

In my country mixed saunas and nude beaches are a big thing and I've met a lot of people in particular from the US who always seem to think this is in some way sexually creepy. There's nothing more natural than the naked body and genitalia, we all got some. I don't understand how a culture that isn't in some way repressed has to associate every naked body with 'lust'.

Re:Gustave Courbet’s ‘Origin of the World’, 19th Century’s m... by ceilingcorner on Thursday December 17, 2020 @03:06PM (#25459707)
Many, if not most, cultures outside of Europe are touchy about nudity. Europe is not the forefront of ethical civilization.

You’d think after the 19th century and colonialism, Europeans would be a little less eager to condemn the rest of the world as ethically behind. Alas...your sentiment is an all too common one.

Re:Gustave Courbet’s ‘Origin of the World’, 19th Century’s m... by Barrin92 on Thursday December 17, 2020 @03:31PM (#25460001)
I don't think the rest of the world is 'ethically behind' or that a healthy relationship to the human body is exclusively European.

It's basically protestant modernity or whatever you want to call it that's caused this repression, also a European export so it's not like we're not to blame for a good portion of it. Huge chunks of the colonised world actually had fairly diverse and healthy attitudes towards nudity and sexuality before the era of colonisation. Women with Mustaches and Men without Beards is a great book about sexuality in Iran.

But either way today it does seem to be mostly the US which has the kind of influence that Europe had, and I don't enjoy it because it seems to affect our culture in negative ways.

Re:Gustave Courbet’s ‘Origin of the World’, 19th Century’s m... by hirundo on Thursday December 17, 2020 @11:52AM (#25457338)
I guess a culture that is mature enough not to be emotionally overwhelmed by their lust is also one with fewer unplanned pregnancies, a lower population, and less able to compete with more lustful cultures.
Re:Gustave Courbet’s ‘Origin of the World’, 19th Century’s m... by trianglem on Thursday December 17, 2020 @12:47PM (#25458020)
I was referring to maturity as a function of age and less about categorizing a whole culture as such. Regardless, I am referring to the maintenance of a healthy level of “fun” so life is more rewarding. It’s not really a trade off as you seem to be implying.
Re:Gustave Courbet’s ‘Origin of the World’, 19th Century’s m... by pronoiac on Thursday December 17, 2020 @12:00PM (#25457431)
I emailed the mods.
Re:Gustave Courbet’s ‘Origin of the World’, 19th Century’s m... by dr_dshiv on Thursday December 17, 2020 @01:39PM (#25458709)
Fabulous painting. That title!