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Re:Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High by djohnston on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @09:13AM (#25442653)
I think Ethereum is much more technically interesting and has more capable leadership. I'm surprised the rise in ETH has been so muted comparatively. Any conjectures?
Re:Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High by markkat on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @10:18AM (#25443541)
As evidenced by the replies here, most people don't understand Ethereum, much less what is being done with Ethereum atm. Most people still don't know what DeFi means, or know that Ethereum has more nodes, processes more transactions per day, has thousands of more devs building with it, that real estate shares are issued on it (https://realt.co/), or that tokenized digital art is selling for millions on Ethereum (https://usaherald.com/beeple-an-iconic-digital-artist-sells-...). etc. Most don't know that $2.3B (0.62%) of BTC is locked in custody to be traded as an Ethereum token (https://defipulse.com/wbtc) as to get access to financial istruments built on Ethereum.

Eventually this will be common knowledge, but it isn't yet. It's early days.

Re:Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High by atomi on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @11:15AM (#25444295)
No, we get it.

DeFi is being able to trade unregulated equities or lend on their collateral on decentralized exchanges with transactions guaranteed by code.

In other words, it's for degens that think avoiding taxes on shitcoin trading is peak crypto.

There are other interesting things on blockchains that can be done outside of decentralized finance. But trading shitcoins is what people are getting off on right now.

It reminds me of how porn is almost always first in new technology adoption.

Re:Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High by ur-whale on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @09:35AM (#25442948)
>I'm surprised the rise in ETH has been so muted comparatively. Any conjectures?

ETH has been known to fork to change the blockchain and eradicate some transactions the leadership didn't like (see the DAO story).

That may be a good thing in some people's book. In the Bitcoin world, this kind of thing is not very popular.

Re:Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High by bouncycastle on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @11:00AM (#25444118)
Bitcoin also has eradicated some transactions that the leadership didn't like.

See the "Value overflow incident" of 2010, which was fixed with human intervention which ultimately rolled back 53 blocks through a soft-fork.

Anyways, both this and theDAO incidents are far away in the past now.

Re:Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High by santiagobasulto on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @09:15AM (#25442679)
Not an expert. But for me the most important factor is that Bitcoin’s supply is limited, whilst Eth’s is unlimited.
Re:Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High by djohnston on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @09:17AM (#25442707)
Is is? I thought they both ran on similar deflationary policies related to diminishing block rewards
Re:Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High by capnorange on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @09:32AM (#25442914)
Ethereum operates on "Minimum viable issuance" so unlike Bitcoin there is no hard cap. Eth wont be deflationary until EIP-1559, maybe never.
Re:Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High by intotheabyss on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @11:55AM (#25444841)
It's not like Bitcoin has a hardcap in any of our lifetimes. Coin yearly inflation is the metric people should be concerned about. BTC is less than 2%, whereas Ethereum is around 4% today. With PoS, this figure will drop to <2%, so equivalent to Bitcoin. The whole "ETH supply is infinite" is such a lame argument. It's not infinite, because your life isn't infinite. It has a finite yearly inflation, just like Bitcoin.
Re:Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High by alwillis on Thursday December 17, 2020 @01:40AM (#25453232)
BTC is less than 2%, whereas Ethereum is around 4% today

Let's not forget Bitcoin's block subsidy (currently 6.25 BTC) is cut in half every 210,000 blocks or about every 4 years. Bitcoin is deflationary—88.44% of all Bitcoin that will ever be produced have already been issued.

We have no idea where Eth is with its production of currency.

Re:Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High by capnorange on Thursday December 17, 2020 @05:12AM (#25454219)
> It's not like Bitcoin has a hardcap in any of our lifetimes.

You must be a EMH denier :)

> ETH supply is infinite

I never claimed that ETH supply is infinite, just that the issuance is unpredictable.

Re:Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High by saalweachter on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @09:17AM (#25442713)
I can make three conjectures off the top of my head:

1. Bitcoin has some sort of "first mover" advantage which gives it a critical number of investors/PR that allows it to keep trading high, and no other coin will ever be able to catch up to it.

2. Bitcoin is actually technically superior to other coins, and it won't be supplanted until whatever the special sauce is, is replicated.

3. Something is hinky in the Bitcoin markets, eg, Tether, and this explains its divergence from other coins.

Re:Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High by londons_explore on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @09:19AM (#25442742)
Does Tether have a direct relationship with Bitcoin in a way that for example Ethereum doesn't? I was under the impression that all places that trade USDT do so with all major cryptocurrencies.
Re:Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High by 4AoZqrH2fsk5UB on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @09:21AM (#25442761)
Re: technically superior

Can you elaborate? I was under the impression that it had notable failings, including privacy, compared to something like Monero

Re:Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High by saalweachter on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @09:23AM (#25442775)
Shit, I don't know; I'm conjecturing here.
Re:Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High by lccarrasco on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @09:24AM (#25442797)
Lower privacy can be a failing from a consumer point of view, but an advantage for regulated businesses.
Re:Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High by meowster on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @09:43AM (#25443044)
Don't businesses like keeping their financials private? (At least that's what I learned in a business class 20 years ago.)

Perkins Coie released a report [0] saying that privacy coins are compatible with regulation.

[0] https://www.perkinscoie.com/en/news-insights/anti-money-laun...

Re:Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High by lordnacho on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @09:17AM (#25442715)
Simple guess is that the institutions that are getting into the space are going to be conservative and dip their toes in the better known coin first.
Re:Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High by cwkoss on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @02:18PM (#25447131)
Ethereum software development has many perilous foot guns. Last time I looked, it's nearly impossible for a technical investor to validate the code in a contract themselves, because the compiled code from human readable languages produces hard-to-read machine code non-deterministically.
Re:Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High by capnorange on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @09:29AM (#25442869)
Bitcoin has enough dev power to implement any feature, the gatekeepers are the people running the node and to a smaller extent the developers and miners. There is a reason Bitcoin just is.
Re:Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High by djohnston on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @09:40AM (#25443012)
Do they though? As I understand it bitcoin has fundamental limitations that mean it will never be a distributed computer like ETH.
Re:Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High by capnorange on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @11:23AM (#25444395)
Bitcoin is like any other software, the limitation is only on a social level.

If it's a breaking change, you would need to convince enough people to migrate to Bitcoin2(similar to what's happening in ETH right now).

Re:Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High by ur-whale on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @09:32AM (#25442906)
>'m surprised the rise in ETH has been so muted comparatively.

Well, there's the fact that Ethereum supply isn't finite.

As a matter of fact, from a practical point of view, it's pretty much anyone's guess what the issuance's rate is (there is an algorithm buried somewhere in the code, but whenever you ask an ETH acolyte how many more ETH there will be in existence in X months, I've never gotten a straight answer).

Re:Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High by qertoip on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @09:52AM (#25443164)
Bitcoin aspires to survive global crackdown, hence laser focus on decentralization, reliability, security, monetary soundness etc.

Ethereum aspires to have fun.

Re:Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High by zorked on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @09:20AM (#25442748)
And OS/2 was better than Windows. Technical superiority doesn't matter.

And to be fair Ethereum has more scalability problems than Bitcoin.

Re:Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High by unnouinceput on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @09:16AM (#25442694)
Because is also much more technically complex than Bitcoin. Also none of them are solving real problems, but ETH has the capability to become that with DApps, once the current generation of politicians die and the next one, that is more technically capable will replace them. Going to be at least another decade before that happen though.
Re:Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High by alwillis on Thursday December 17, 2020 @01:49AM (#25453285)
Also none of them are solving real problems, but ETH has the capability to become that with DApps…

The problem Bitcoin solves is creating a non-sovereign store of value that can't be manipulated/inflated by governments and central banks. That's a problem worth solving.

Bitcoin started with smart contracts on day one, but the focus has been on robustness. However, there's plenty of work going on with layer 2 and side chains to for DApps, etc.

https://blockstream.com/2020/10/22/en-blockstream-amp-issue-...

Re:Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High by didericis on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @09:27AM (#25442838)
It’s too unstable and there was too much hype.

I believe they proposed the essentials of 2.0 years ago, and there were a lot of tutorials and workshops related to dapps that made it sound like a scalable, global compute network was just on the horizon.

Between that and the fork after the DAO got hacked, I’ve personally been staying away from it until 2.0 proves itself (phase 0 just came out this month).

I agree it’s very technically interesting, and think they’re responsible for the bulk of the innovation in the crypto space (them and monero for advances in privacy), but I don’t follow crypto super close/there might be others pushing the same ideas or better ideas in better ways.

Re:Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High by christiansakai on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @09:15AM (#25442688)
ETH is still undergoing migrations, which will be completed in 2 years. I expect ETH to be muted for a while.
Re:Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High by aazaa on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @09:31AM (#25442901)
> has more capable leadership

Have you considered the possibility that this is a bug, not a feature?

Re:Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High by rusty__ on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @09:16AM (#25442701)
Cardano is an even more interesting prospect to me.