Considering Apple doesn't sell any devices running Linux, I don't see how they could've possibly beaten PINE64 in building a sustainable ARM Linux company.

The new Macbooks can run arm64 Linux.

In theory yes, in practice, only under virtualization (though I'm one of https://www.patreon.com/marcan sponsors so maybe one day this will change).

However this is a moot point as Apple doesn't sell what Pine does - Linux device. Apple sell Apple devices. If they incidentally runs Linux is irrelevant to Apple.

Yes and my toaster can run NetBSD - but who knows if it'll actually cook my bread. Who knows if the new Macbooks will even support WiFi with Linux.

They will.

They can't boot Linux. For a while. In fact, Apple is making it extra hard by not supplying the documentation to make it easier.

I don't think Apple competes in the $200 laptop segment right now.

I don’t think Apple competes much in the $200 anything segment.

Airpods... end of list.

Some of the chargers, probably.

Few developers are in the $200 laptop segment

Which is kind of a shame - most of what I do on my corporate 8-core MBP could be comfortably done on a much lighter specced machine.

The only time I see the fans spinning up is when running Zoom. And updating IntelliJ.

Depends pretty much on which country we are talking about.

And which stack.

Unless I am doing something very wrong (and sometimes I do), most of my Python development flows fit very comfortably on a 4GB Celeron laptop (that's currently with my 8yo daughter).

If they can't perform decently on this, I need to fix it.

4GB is a lot of memory. A lot.

The ones that matter. United States, Canada, UK, Sweden, Japan, Australia, etc.

I live in Ireland and I really enjoy that small Celeron I mentioned in the other message - the one my daughter is using. It's small, the battery lasts for at least 5 hours, completely silent, and, while it certainly isn't as fast as my Mac or the Dell (or the Xeon under my desk), it's fast enough for my tests to run while I think about the next steps. And it did cost me about $200. It's an expendable computer.

I assume a Pinebook Pro is a much nicer experience.

By your own admission, you own 3 high-end laptops and one low-end one (which you don't even use). Enough said.

They won't matter for long if they only target internal markets.

I don’t think this adds much to the discussion with name calling and over generalization.

There are many people who gladly participate in both ecosystems.

What did he say?

Yes. Sort of.

I exist in both ecosystems.

Gladly? I am happy I get paid money to develop in Swift ona Apple... Happy to develop (in Python, reluctantly, nothing is perfect!) on my Raspberry PI.

We are a grumpy opinionated lot - developers. Very hard to make us glad

I totally agree with you, but would add that some of us find dealing with Apple extremely frustrating. The most valuable company in the world, and a money grubbing pack of unethical rotters...

There I go, I am name calling now!