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Re:First commercial curved CMOS sensor from startup CURVE by londons_explore on Tuesday December 15, 2020 @03:02PM (#25434420)
Making CMOS sensors from scratch is very much not a thing for a thrifty startup to achieve...

Yet submitting a design to a commercial fab and saying "make it curved plz" isn't likely to work either.

So how is this done?

Re:First commercial curved CMOS sensor from startup CURVE by wmf on Tuesday December 15, 2020 @03:22PM (#25434711)
If you thin a silicon die enough it becomes flexible. I suspect they're using a standard planar fab then thinning the die and mounting it on some curved substrate.
Re:First commercial curved CMOS sensor from startup CURVE by nickff on Tuesday December 15, 2020 @03:40PM (#25434960)
They may even just be using relief cuts in the die to produce the effect. Reliefs have a number of advantages, including reducing twisting and buckling.
Re:First commercial curved CMOS sensor from startup CURVE by londons_explore on Tuesday December 15, 2020 @03:43PM (#25434992)
But not flexible in 3 dimensions...

(Ie. You can curve it around a cylinder, but not around a sphere)

Re:First commercial curved CMOS sensor from startup CURVE by grovellogic on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @11:42AM (#25444668)
If you want to dive deeper into the issues look into Developable Surfaces https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developable_surface
Re:First commercial curved CMOS sensor from startup CURVE by sudosysgen on Tuesday December 15, 2020 @03:48PM (#25435043)
Wouldn't different thicknesses allow this?
Re:First commercial curved CMOS sensor from startup CURVE by vel0city on Tuesday December 15, 2020 @07:01PM (#25437172)
Take a sheet of paper and wrap it around a ball. Notice how it folds?

If you could take a flat surface and have it represent the surface of a sphere without warping (or vice-versa), we wouldn't have constant debates about what kind of map projections are best.

Re:First commercial curved CMOS sensor from startup CURVE by plasticchris on Tuesday December 15, 2020 @11:13PM (#25438976)
Maybe you could make it like an orange peel and bend it mostly sideways? Depends on how rigid it is. Or cut ridges like a fresnel lens? Or like lasik? All depends on the material properties.
Re:First commercial curved CMOS sensor from startup CURVE by sudosysgen on Tuesday December 15, 2020 @07:25PM (#25437382)
Yes, I agree. What I mean is that by varying the thickness, you can get it very close to or exactly a sphere.
Re:First commercial curved CMOS sensor from startup CURVE by ChuckMcM on Tuesday December 15, 2020 @03:59PM (#25435185)
Good question. I don't know but I know from another effort that was at Sun way back in the day it is really difficult to create curvature in a system that wants flat optical masks and flat processing.

There are at least two challenges, one is curve itself, and the other is laying out the sensor to be linear across the curved surface. I'm wondering if they are going to do a Hot Chips presentation, that has been where most of the coolest advances in chip making have been detailed.

A friend speculated they might be doing a mems sort of thing where they make a 'thick' chip and then etch down to the layers of sensors, perhaps polishing, as a glass lens might be made, but for me that seems like it would be too risky. Thinning and bending is a possibility of course you need to account for the final topology in your layout.

Definitely a fun puzzle to speculate about.

Re:First commercial curved CMOS sensor from startup CURVE by m463 on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @02:23AM (#25439959)
Although wafers seem easy to make flat, I wonder if lithography itself might work better on a curved target.
Re:First commercial curved CMOS sensor from startup CURVE by bhouston on Wednesday December 16, 2020 @09:56AM (#25443223)
there are lenses in the lens assembly that flattens the image. Thus if you wanted to make curved wafers you could remove these. But then the curve would be across the water itself and maybe not what you want on the individual chip level.