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Re:Sales tax creates more unnecessary pain than value added tax by lotsofpulp on Friday December 11, 2020 @03:16PM (#25390381)
>Without this exception, we’d probably have a crazy economy where manufacterers sell directly to consumers.

What is the problem with this?

Re:Sales tax creates more unnecessary pain than value added tax by Pfhreak on Friday December 11, 2020 @03:22PM (#25390461)
Most of us enjoy going to a thing called a "store" where there are usually a variety of options to choose from, where one can easily compare side by side from different manufacturers.
Re:Sales tax creates more unnecessary pain than value added tax by wolco2 on Friday December 11, 2020 @03:47PM (#25390774)
I hate going to the store. And a store has only a few brands.. I have to drive around to compare prices.

With covid most of us are online this year.

Re:Sales tax creates more unnecessary pain than value added tax by Pet_Ant on Friday December 11, 2020 @03:42PM (#25390704)
Really? Don’t most of us going into a store, find something, Google reviews, and competitors, and competitors’ reviews and then see if the convenience of being already here outweighs the effort of going somewhere else plus it’s marginal utility increase? Honestly, I’ve shifted a lot of my regular purchases into Amazon subscriptions.
Re:Sales tax creates more unnecessary pain than value added tax by squeaky-clean on Friday December 11, 2020 @04:09PM (#25391021)
Amazon is still a store though, unless you're exclusively buying Amazon brand products.
Re:Sales tax creates more unnecessary pain than value added tax by Pet_Ant on Friday December 11, 2020 @04:49PM (#25391614)
I suppose. I think it more as a delivery mechanism or ordering portal. A far number of my purchases are shipped by Amazon sold by someone else. I don't think of Amazon as doing the curation I think of when I think of a store. I guess maybe it's a bit of a middle ground.
Re:Sales tax creates more unnecessary pain than value added tax by Pfhreak on Friday December 11, 2020 @04:56PM (#25391736)
Not 'I suppose', it's literally a store. It has its own payment processing, inventory, storefront, brands, etc.
Re:Sales tax creates more unnecessary pain than value added tax by gowld on Friday December 11, 2020 @03:23PM (#25390477)
The original is missing an "only". OP is saying that without the resale exemption, stores would be so tax-inefficient that we'd end up buying everything direct from manufacture.

(But it's more likely that stores would operate on a consignment model instead of a resale model.)

Re:Sales tax creates more unnecessary pain than value added tax by bearbin on Friday December 11, 2020 @03:26PM (#25390511)
Aggregated retail is beneficial to both consumers, because they have a many competitive locations, at each of which then can buy many varieties of good. Similarly this benefits manufacturers, as they can specialise in manufacture rather than retail. Such aggregation increases the efficiency of the economy.

Limiting retail would therefore decrease global efficiency, going against the principle that taxes should not incentivise inefficient behaviours.

Re:Sales tax creates more unnecessary pain than value added tax by lotsofpulp on Friday December 11, 2020 @03:54PM (#25390864)
I wasn't specifically referring to the concept of exempting resellers from paying sales tax for items they are reselling.

I was questioning the problem of manufacturers selling directly to customers. I prefer to cut out as many middlemen as possible nowadays, in order to ensure the highest probability of getting the highest quality product.

I know Walmart gets lower quality products than other places and whatnot, and manufacturers make subtle adjustments to products to meet resellers' desired price points.

So now, I just buy directly from the brands whenever possible (and definitely not from Amazon for anything high value). I trust Costco's items to have been better vetted and especially Kirkland Signature branded items to be decent, as well as Apple and maybe Nordstroms.

Re:Sales tax creates more unnecessary pain than value added tax by bearbin on Friday December 11, 2020 @04:19PM (#25391153)
Indeed, there's nothing _wrong_ with direct-to-consumer sales and there are certainly some advantages as a purchaser - not least avoiding any chance of getting counterfeit goods. But there are certainly downsides too.

Especially with the advent of internet shopping, improved delivery speeds, and reduction in cultural inertia, going direct has become more convenient. That said, while DTC shopping may be _more_ convenient than before, it's still noticeably _less_ convenient than retail shopping. This is displayed by the overwhelming preference of consumers for such resellers as Amazon (the likes of which take an extortionate fee, and provide very little for the consumer beyond a single storefront, fast postage and financial trustworthiness).

> I know Walmart gets lower quality products than other places and whatnot, and manufacturers make subtle adjustments to products to meet resellers' desired price points.

This, and more generally the market data held by retailers, is also a benefit of retailers. By aggregating information about purchases of many different consumers over many different brands, retailers are able to drive product development towards products they know will sell even if these preferences will not be expressed directly by consumers or manufacturers.

To summarise, going back to your original point:

> What's the problem with [manufacturers selling direct to consumers]

Manufacturers know how to make things, they don't know _what_ things to make, or how to sell them to consumers. An market where only DTC sales were allowed would have products that consumers generally want less than they do now, with worse service.

Re:Sales tax creates more unnecessary pain than value added tax by bearbin on Friday December 11, 2020 @04:37PM (#25391379)
Actually, I realise there is another point here, namely the distinction between manufacturer, brand and retailer.

Brands are somewhat confusing to analyse: a brand may manufacture its own products, or it may buy them in; a brand may sell its own products, or it may leave this to conventional retailers. In its purest form the brand does neither and simply exists to advertise itself and collect rent from other market participants.

Generally, it seems that pure-play brands, and DTC sales by manufacturers, are fairly rare, while brands that also sell products to consumers, or that manufacture their prducts are the most common. So it seems that in reality, neither total specialisation as a pure-play brand nor as a triple-play fully vertically integrated brand is efficient, but instead some combination of branding with another function is optimal.