Re:Endangered Firefox, the State of Mozilla
by PaulHoule on Friday December 11, 2020 @01:31PM
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If the EU wanted to make a difference on privacy, fully funding the Firefox browser would be an inexpensive way for Europe to "buy in" to big tech and maintain some alternative to Google for a web browser engine -- think of Airbus buying the A220 from Bombardier and Montréal.
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Re:Endangered Firefox, the State of Mozilla
by gtf21 on Friday December 11, 2020 @02:08PM
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I'd never thought of this but it strikes me as a really interesting idea. It's really important to retain a well funded, OSS, citizen-oriented browser since the web is a crucial technology now. A foundation funded by the EU (without a political link) would be a great idea -- hopefully lots of other institutions would also provide funding but you'd need a big hitter as well.
Re:Endangered Firefox, the State of Mozilla
by pjmlp on Friday December 11, 2020 @05:20PM
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Anyone that uses Electron apps contributes to Chrome adoption.
Re:Endangered Firefox, the State of Mozilla
by bzb6 on Friday December 11, 2020 @09:20PM
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Mozilla had an alternative to Electron and they dropped it before Electron was born even. Who do we have to blame if not them? Their priorities have always been wrong.
Re:Endangered Firefox, the State of Mozilla
by pjmlp on Saturday December 12, 2020 @04:55AM
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Any developers using it, yes that also includes the likes of VSCode.
The priorities of anyone that uses Electron are the ones that are wrong, picking developer comfort instead of what is good for users or the Web.
Use a daemon with local browser or the OS webwidgets.
Yes it is more work that coding against Chrome APIs, but that is the whole point if one cares about the Web in general, otherwise those developers could just update their CVs to ChromeOS developer.
Re:Endangered Firefox, the State of Mozilla
by CyberDildonics on Friday December 11, 2020 @10:01PM
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That doesn't make any sense. Using an electron app isn't the same as someone accessing web sites with chrome.
Re:Endangered Firefox, the State of Mozilla
by pjmlp on Saturday December 12, 2020 @04:51AM
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Sure it does, using Electron is picking the easy way of coding against Chrome specific APIs, instead of what Web is capable of across all browsers.
Re:Endangered Firefox, the State of Mozilla
by toper-centage on Saturday December 12, 2020 @05:58AM
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What you're saying is not wrong, but that's only about developers. Users have no say in the stack used in an app, so using that app in today's landscape of walled Gardens makes no difference in terms of chrome's dominance.
Re:Endangered Firefox, the State of Mozilla
by pjmlp on Saturday December 12, 2020 @08:35AM
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That app only exists because those developers decided to support Google's agenda.
Re:Endangered Firefox, the State of Mozilla
by CyberDildonics on Saturday December 12, 2020 @10:31AM
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Programs built on electron are using chrome is an isolated way, they aren't skewing the percentage of people who access web sites with chrome.
Re:Endangered Firefox, the State of Mozilla
by pjmlp on Saturday December 12, 2020 @05:03PM
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They are increasing the amount of Chrome deployments and developers using Chrome only APIs.
Re:Endangered Firefox, the State of Mozilla
by m-p-3 on Saturday December 12, 2020 @08:10AM
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Is there an alternative to Electron that uses Gecko instead of Blink/WebKit?
Re:Endangered Firefox, the State of Mozilla
by pjmlp on Saturday December 12, 2020 @08:34AM
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Yes, the right way to do it, PWAs or OS Web widgets.
Re:Endangered Firefox, the State of Mozilla
by dzonga on Friday December 11, 2020 @03:26PM
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a lot of gvts, could easily and should fund Firefox. However, the current Mozilla foundation administration is corrupt and overpaid. Losing market share the were they did would cause a CEO to lose his job in 5 months. Hell, a lot of folks on HN could easily be stewards of Firefox and do a better job than the bozos running mozilla.